Back in the game after 4 years quit

RAMON DAGUPAN
RAMON DAGUPAN
Greenhorn
Joined May 2013 Posts: 6
edited 1 Mar 2019, 6:50PM
I am a level 41 player. I quit 4 years ago when the game became so boring to play, all we do is endless upgrades. my last special event was when I got Sheila, from there I stopped. I have produced it but never upgraded. now it seems the game is fun again but all my units were so old and can't even hit a level 3 thorium base. What should I do, is it worth playing this account again or should I create new? If I would continue this account, what units should I first get and upgrade so I can catch up. Thank you..
  • nametagg0
    nametagg0
    Unicorn Overlord
    Joined Jan 2016 Posts: 4,366
    edited 1 Mar 2019, 9:00PM
    if you have any tech for sheila [especially her barz rifle] shell be pretty helpful for starting off

    id recommend starting by selecting 1 of the 3 factions in the game and building only its units' first so that your given an easier cycle to obtain units from.
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    ive got guides for 2 of them but havent had time completely fill out the 3rds guide

    [sentinels]
    https://www.kixeye.com/forum/discussion/750206/p1
    [corpus]
    https://www.kixeye.com/forum/discussion/753537/p1

    [the start of the survivors guide]= located in the first comment in the wip section.
    https://www.kixeye.com/forum/discussion/741252

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    you should have a few of their first infantry unit available to build and if your level 41 from sf era you might have enough storage to build a bunch of them from thor 1 and 2 bases along with some occasional bonuses from the passive missions they added [ though it is a bit of a slow process]

    from there they should have the power to get thor 3s and speed things up a bit while you collect other units from that faction.

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    something to watch for is to hit some dead bases that your older units should be able to kill to get 1500+ infamy before the end of pvp seasons as that will net you enough blood thor to get a free hero

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      the pessimist looks down and loses the path
      the strategist looks forward and adjusts accordingly" 
  • RAMON DAGUPAN
    RAMON DAGUPAN
    Greenhorn
    Joined May 2013 Posts: 6
    thank you for your reply nametagg0. I think I already have enough infamy to get a hero at the end of the season. which hero should I get that can help me for the thorium base, even just thorium 3.
  • nametagg0
    nametagg0
    Unicorn Overlord
    Joined Jan 2016 Posts: 4,366
    edited 3 Mar 2019, 10:12AM
    thank you for your reply nametagg0. I think I already have enough infamy to get a hero at the end of the season. which hero should I get that can help me for the thorium base, even just thorium 3.
    depends on how much thorium you can hold and what faction you plan on going with


    a lot of them are a bit expensive to make from a thorium outlook and if its from a faction your not developing for it can be a bit of a pain to work around


    but generally heres how faction heroes are

    terrible heroes you get when your bored-------



    *though it is worth noting that skipjack, max, and weaver can be deployed with other heroes when you get them above level 6 which is what im doing when i get bored so there is a bit of value there.
    *Galen is also pretty decent if you put work into him but compared to other heroes with similar jobs or what youd be missing out to get him he leaves a bit to be desired
    and burnside is pretty much always useless when compared to other heroes in his faction for any job that isnt dying.

    Heroes that arnt terrible but also arnt great


    worth noting
    oren is usually pretty bad and requires quite a bit of work to be really good which is the only reason he isnt in the terrible list as his level 10 stats with his gold tech is really nice but you have a bit of work to get there which prevents him from being great.
    neil is usually pretty nice but his 50% health spin gimmick usually gets him killed and limits his gold tech's worth
    roland is pretty bad offensively other than his scramble immunity from his tech and usually is better on the defensive

    then santi and martin are the pinnicle of "isnt bad but isnt great" they're aggressively ok


    then the heroes youll most likely want to look for most from what i use or have seen




    important things to note from this list
    Ardre is one of the best tanks in the game [excluding uniques] shes got really high health and damage and with her tech she can get some pretty strong resistances and the busted effect.

    Sunder isnt overly impressive from stats alone but his tech if you can afford it makes him really hard hitting and it pairs nicely with his ability to fire over walls 

    nyx is really nice for picking off key buildings that can mess up your attack, especially with furies with her as she buffs their speed and her gold tech as that gives her immunity to scramble which is usually super annoying to deal with for corpus if your not using escorts and uniques. and she isnt overly costly to produce which is nice for those starting off.

    [next 2 are a bit of unpopular opinions but i usually use them a lot]


    kyle is super cheap to produce and buffs your technicals to speeds where a lot of aoe attacks are easily avoidable by them though he isnt really much without them as survivors are more about the swarm than having one or two really strong units anyway.

    Polly while a bit more expensive than most the others has pretty decent armor and applies scramble which not a whole lot is immune to and it prevents most aircraft and vehicles and turrets from shooting back at you, which when paired with her stealth makes her a really nice support for basically anything you want her to be with.

    overall id say she is what i would reccomend most especially if you can get the following tech[ B=kinetic treads, S=angled lens/heroic tech G= heroic tech with the diamond tech optional.]

    [note the only things immune to scramble are
    *infantry
    *unique units
    *3 vehicle and air heroes




    and if i had to guess the 3 new ones
    malcolm-great
    andrew-ok but not great
    tony-get when bored
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      the pessimist looks down and loses the path
      the strategist looks forward and adjusts accordingly" 
  • lolwut1337
    lolwut1337
    Skilled Warrior
    Joined May 2015 Posts: 476
    edited 4 Mar 2019, 12:07PM
    Welcome back, it's always good to see more players joining to the game.

    The first thing you need to know is that most of the modern "faction era" units cost thorium to build instead of metal/oil. Having a reasonable thorium capacity is vital, 50M is the highest amount of thorium a regular unit would cost and 75M for hero units, nothing cost more than 75M thorium at the momnet.

    If your biggest gun right now kinda looks like this

    then your main source of thorium should be thorium base II plus missions, which is probably a new feature to you.
    It's located at the bottom right corner and rewards you medal/thorium for killing certain amount of unit/building.
    The leftmost one has no time limit and can be rerolled as many times as you like, one of it is killing 500 anything with payout of 5 million thorium which can be an reliable way to obtain thorium if you're struggling with higher level thorium bases.


    To catch up the game you need in-meta units and their workshop components, stuffs worth getting IMO are



    There're generally 4 ways of obtaining them.
    The first is the fastest one - buying offers of faction units and unique units with gold to start things up.
    The second one is purchasing from gear store, no buy limit as long as you have the medals.
    The third is grinding unit bases on the world map, 1 to 2 build limit increase per week
    The fourth is by participating activities like monthly event and holdout

    Gear store content changes every month and the current offer includes some units listed above

    Envoy should be your top priority considering you probably don't have any air unit relevant in current meta.
    Some spec ops like tactical drift can also help you to take down bases that you normally can't.

    Unit bases appear on the world map only on specific days.
    The spawn schedule can be found here https://www.kixeye.com/forum/discussion/756857


  • SnowStrike32
    SnowStrike32
    Minor Nuisance
    Joined Mar 2016 Posts: 177
    You should copy the hero advice onto its own thread, it is actually more/as useful as any other info I've found and it is all in place.
    Not a returning player, but thanks for the work :)

  • RAMON DAGUPAN
    RAMON DAGUPAN
    Greenhorn
    Joined May 2013 Posts: 6
    edited 7 Mar 2019, 9:49AM
    now is the moment of truth. I somehow managed to get 6 Blood Thorium at the end of the season which means I can get 2 heroes. base on suggestions above, I should take Polly and Kyle? please confirm before i mess up my picks. thanks to all of you. How about ARDRA & MARTIN? or ARDRA & NYX?
  • nametagg0
    nametagg0
    Unicorn Overlord
    Joined Jan 2016 Posts: 4,366
    now is the moment of truth. I somehow managed to get 6 Blood Thorium at the end of the season which means I can get 2 heroes. base on suggestions above, I should take Polly and Kyle? please confirm before i mess up my picks. thanks to all of you. How about ARDRA & MARTIN? or ARDRA & NYX?
    what faction are you in? and how much thorium can your base hold?
     because those are pretty big parts of selecting a hero
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    "the optimist looks up and loses his footing.
      the pessimist looks down and loses the path
      the strategist looks forward and adjusts accordingly" 
  • RAMON DAGUPAN
    RAMON DAGUPAN
    Greenhorn
    Joined May 2013 Posts: 6

    i honestly dont know which faction to choose. and my thorium storage is 54M right now, but no prob i can upgrade them in no time.

  • nametagg0
    nametagg0
    Unicorn Overlord
    Joined Jan 2016 Posts: 4,366

    i honestly dont know which faction to choose. and my thorium storage is 54M right now, but no prob i can upgrade them in no time.

    generally i would recommend kyle and polly because they both have some nice gimmicks that can avoid the resistances of rouge factions


    with kyle he comes with 3 choices for turrets that you can change at any time
    base being a machine gun that deals sustain damage and can target land air and missiles.
    and 2 turret side grades that can be applied from a workshop
    a flamethrower that changes his damage to fire [naturally] and increases his damage by 50% but restricts him to shooting ground targets
    and a rocket launcher that changes his damage to burst, buffs his damage by 50% but restricts him to only shooting air [including high altitude]

    he can also gain the gold tech from technicals "toxic weapons handling" that applies corrosion boosting his damage by another 50% to everything that corrosion can be applied to

    which should all stack ontop of any building buffs in base defence and the survivor trait if you side with them

    Though keep in mind he is pretty weak on his own so you definitely want him to be paired with a bunch of other technicals

    polly's gimmick is the scramble she applies which is helpful because vary few things are immune to it and it completely shuts down their weapons making her pretty annoying to deal with for most factions, on top of her attacks applying scramble she has the cyclops' ability to deal up to +150% [they changed the number at some point but i think thats the current value] damage as she fires which is pretty decent

    however she is a bit expensive to get to her full potential as she will need a full compliment of tech to get the ball really going for her
    I personally use this loadout:



    which is a bit expensive when buying all at once with medals so she may not be the most returning player friendly.

    the corpus buff also doesnt apply to polly often as she is usually in sealth and doesnt have to worry about burst weapons one shotting her

    though you do seem to be drawn to ardre aswell and she is nice and has a pretty strong stat progression if you plan to upgrade the heroes which is a weakness of gen ll and lll heroes like kyle and polly but gen 1 heroes are really nice at it

    as a comparision






    As you can see while ardre nearly quadruples her health and triples her damage from level 1 to maximum, polly has basically no difference between her minimum and maximum level

    to further benefit this ardre and purifiers also have some pretty nice tech that make her even beefier

    though if your going sentinel you mimic her heroic tech by pairing her with bishops while keeping her tanky with these 2 techs giving her just the resistances for cheaper than buying hero tech.
    they also help make her harder to shut down by other factions with their loyalty bonus making her immune to all status effects.



    However she can be pretty vulnerable to air units on defense and strong burst resistance with her only real counter-play to it being a single tech that converts her damage to fire and boosts damage to infantry.
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    "the optimist looks up and loses his footing.
      the pessimist looks down and loses the path
      the strategist looks forward and adjusts accordingly" 
  • lolwut1337
    lolwut1337
    Skilled Warrior
    Joined May 2015 Posts: 476
    edited 8 Mar 2019, 5:45PM
    now is the moment of truth. I somehow managed to get 6 Blood Thorium at the end of the season which means I can get 2 heroes. base on suggestions above, I should take Polly and Kyle? please confirm before i mess up my picks. thanks to all of you. How about ARDRA & MARTIN? or ARDRA & NYX?
    I'd recommend getting Polly and Sunder or just Polly and save the other 3 blood thorium for Malcolm.

    Factors I take into consideration when picking heroes are 
    1.) How much difference this hero can make, how universally powerful/useful this hero is?
    2.) What does this hero offer that its normal counterpart doesn't?


    Polly's ability to scramble alone makes she invaluable, coupled with high resistance to area/sustain damage and ability to target air from epic techs she can be very helpful in the recent Red Lokust campaign (shock immunity, cricket swarm ).
    Although Polly is already pretty good at level 1 without techs, it's still worth getting 1 angled lens and 1 bullet/explosive avoidance if not plan on getting heroic techs.

    Sunder is pretty straight forward a glass cannon, currently hardest hitting one. With both offensive epic techs he can achieve ~1.6M area dps against ground units at level 1. He is capable of annihilating most of the ground units you'd bump into in the PvE bases.
    Sunder isn't impressive before both offensive epic techs are available and should only be considered once you can afford both (900k total).

    Kyle and Martin aren't bad however there isn't much difference between the heroes and the normal units in both cases. That being said the difference in performance between 5 envoys and 4 envoy + Martin isn't significant, same story for 10 technicals and 9 technicals + Kyle.

    Ardra and Nyx along with other non infantry renowned heroes are very powerful once maxed out, but underwhelming before level 6. and are heavily dependent on heroic techs.
    They are not worth getting until you can handle their respective hero token bases or have spare blood thorium to spend.
  • RAMON DAGUPAN
    RAMON DAGUPAN
    Greenhorn
    Joined May 2013 Posts: 6

    now I am convinced to pick Polly & Kyle. I just want to share with you guys how I look today. I think this should have came in earlier. anyway, Good Luck to me. Thank You guys for your advice I will share with you again when my base and units got better.
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