8.28 Supremacy Discussion Thread

  • bort
    bort
    Unicorn Overlord
    Joined Oct 2011 Posts: 8,257
    For many years, players could grind the lowest raid target(s) with just about any fleet. That would allow them to get raid prizes that would help advance them in their game. They couldn't get all that much but every little bit helped. Somewhere along the line kix ramped up their greed factor and now you need the best of the best to even do raid and take four hours damage per target to go with it. Can't even help others get everything they need as it costs too much and prepping is out of the question now with such lengthy repairs.
    kinda but not really. could not get any decent level prizes that way, except in the first year or two - and then it was grinding for 40 hours over the 4 days. Can you imagine people on here now grinding out 40 hours in 4 days. They complain when they have to put in more than an hour in a day.

    these days, with the top fleet you can knock out the top raid prize on day one, without spending a single coin. even within the first couple hours on day one, without spending a single coin. yes, you might take a few hours of repairs after hitting a couple targets, but that gets you a huge number of points towards the top prizes.
  • Spider Retired
    Spider Retired
    Skilled Warrior
    Joined Aug 2013 Posts: 319
    We still need Kix to add back generic build tokens to the raids, How cn we get things done without access to tokens?

    Now its just hull specifyed token that are in the list, so is this just one more blockade they use to get players to coin more?

    I will not coin fleets, and im sure many feel the same. Yes some still do, i guess thats for them to deside where the coins should go.

    So we still NEED the generic token added. For ships and also base turrets.

    Regards.
    Spider OUT ! LvL 130
  • michael_ v
    michael_ v
    Skilled Warrior
    Joined Oct 2014 Posts: 503
    bort said:
    For many years, players could grind the lowest raid target(s) with just about any fleet. That would allow them to get raid prizes that would help advance them in their game. They couldn't get all that much but every little bit helped. Somewhere along the line kix ramped up their greed factor and now you need the best of the best to even do raid and take four hours damage per target to go with it. Can't even help others get everything they need as it costs too much and prepping is out of the question now with such lengthy repairs.
    kinda but not really. could not get any decent level prizes that way, except in the first year or two - and then it was grinding for 40 hours over the 4 days. Can you imagine people on here now grinding out 40 hours in 4 days. They complain when they have to put in more than an hour in a day.

    these days, with the top fleet you can knock out the top raid prize on day one, without spending a single coin. even within the first couple hours on day one, without spending a single coin. yes, you might take a few hours of repairs after hitting a couple targets, but that gets you a huge number of points towards the top prizes.
    well show us this build u clam can " knock out the top raid prize on day one, without spending a single coin. even within the first couple hours"
    i would really like to see that 1
  • Shadows-13
    Shadows-13
    Strike-force Captain
    Joined Aug 2016 Posts: 866
    bort said:
    For many years, players could grind the lowest raid target(s) with just about any fleet. That would allow them to get raid prizes that would help advance them in their game. They couldn't get all that much but every little bit helped. Somewhere along the line kix ramped up their greed factor and now you need the best of the best to even do raid and take four hours damage per target to go with it. Can't even help others get everything they need as it costs too much and prepping is out of the question now with such lengthy repairs.
    kinda but not really. could not get any decent level prizes that way, except in the first year or two - and then it was grinding for 40 hours over the 4 days. Can you imagine people on here now grinding out 40 hours in 4 days. They complain when they have to put in more than an hour in a day.

    these days, with the top fleet you can knock out the top raid prize on day one, without spending a single coin. even within the first couple hours on day one, without spending a single coin. yes, you might take a few hours of repairs after hitting a couple targets, but that gets you a huge number of points towards the top prizes.
    well show us this build u clam can " knock out the top raid prize on day one, without spending a single coin. even within the first couple hours"
    i would really like to see that 1
    I did it in the first day but not first few hours using no coin.
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  • TIGGGGGER
    TIGGGGGER
    Minor Nuisance
    Joined Jul 2012 Posts: 210
    why can't we redeem anymore dark wing CIC?   i hav 1 atm....... in the spreed sheet it says duplicate cap of 3 how do i get another 2?
  • michael_ v
    michael_ v
    Skilled Warrior
    Joined Oct 2014 Posts: 503
    edited 15 Jul 2018, 12:42AM
    TIGGGGGER said:
    why can't we redeem anymore dark wing CIC?   i hav 1 atm....... in the spreed sheet it says duplicate cap of 3 how do i get another 2?
    its not a limited bp i dont think u can only have 3 in 1 fleet 

  • michael.west.750
    michael.west.750
    Force to be Reckoned With
    Joined Mar 2013 Posts: 1,598
    It's not a limited print. You got the blueprint, you got the dark wing cic. You can only put it on three ships per fleet though.
    .
  • butch1314
    butch1314
    Minor Nuisance
    Joined Nov 2017 Posts: 224

    @michael_ v said:
    bort said:


    michael.west.750 said:

    For many years, players could grind the lowest raid target(s) with just about any fleet. That would allow them to get raid prizes that would help advance them in their game. They couldn't get all that much but every little bit helped. Somewhere along the line kix ramped up their greed factor and now you need the best of the best to even do raid and take four hours damage per target to go with it. Can't even help others get everything they need as it costs too much and prepping is out of the question now with such lengthy repairs.

    kinda but not really. could not get any decent level prizes that way, except in the first year or two - and then it was grinding for 40 hours over the 4 days. Can you imagine people on here now grinding out 40 hours in 4 days. They complain when they have to put in more than an hour in a day.

    these days, with the top fleet you can knock out the top raid prize on day one, without spending a single coin. even within the first couple hours on day one, without spending a single coin. yes, you might take a few hours of repairs after hitting a couple targets, but that gets you a huge number of points towards the top prizes.

    well show us this build u clam can " knock out the top raid prize on day one, without spending a single coin. even within the first couple hours"
    i would really like to see that 1

    First few hours would be a piece of cake, and is for my fleet. Down to 2 hours 20 minutes for a T8 set. Four sets get the top prize. Probably including finding the targets less than 10 minutes per set. Repair after claiming the flag and then start on items in the locked store. Simple.

  • michael.west.750
    michael.west.750
    Force to be Reckoned With
    Joined Mar 2013 Posts: 1,598
    You must have a good build then.
    .
  • The Amazing Jeff
    The Amazing Jeff
    Strike-force Captain
    Joined Jun 2014 Posts: 932
    bort said:
    For many years, players could grind the lowest raid target(s) with just about any fleet. That would allow them to get raid prizes that would help advance them in their game. They couldn't get all that much but every little bit helped. Somewhere along the line kix ramped up their greed factor and now you need the best of the best to even do raid and take four hours damage per target to go with it. Can't even help others get everything they need as it costs too much and prepping is out of the question now with such lengthy repairs.
    kinda but not really. could not get any decent level prizes that way, except in the first year or two - and then it was grinding for 40 hours over the 4 days. Can you imagine people on here now grinding out 40 hours in 4 days. They complain when they have to put in more than an hour in a day.

    these days, with the top fleet you can knock out the top raid prize on day one, without spending a single coin. even within the first couple hours on day one, without spending a single coin. yes, you might take a few hours of repairs after hitting a couple targets, but that gets you a huge number of points towards the top prizes.
    They moved teh grind option to teh second tier fleets, if you don't have first or second tier fleet for that raid you're sh** outta luck.
  • butch1314
    butch1314
    Minor Nuisance
    Joined Nov 2017 Posts: 224

    Considering that the sky and Phoenix are what, over a year old, and the Apollo is how old? Sort of makes sense, because in this type of game tech advances with time.

  • butch1314
    butch1314
    Minor Nuisance
    Joined Nov 2017 Posts: 224

    @michael.west.750 said:
    You must have a good build then.

    Of course. It is the product of trial and error, many days of tokens, endless pouring over stats to see how specials interact as I do rough drafts, and hours of reading and watching videos from other players.

  • TIGGGGGER
    TIGGGGGER
    Minor Nuisance
    Joined Jul 2012 Posts: 210
    mybad thanks yall .....dooouuuugh 
  • jasebase
    jasebase
    Minor Nuisance
    Joined Mar 2017 Posts: 139
    edited 15 Jul 2018, 1:53AM
    Wow.... I just hit a 65......killed it ...just and it pretty much wiped my fleet of Skys out!!!

    Bonus though, I'm sitting 5th in my sector for only killing a 65!!!! Go me, or should I say way to go Kix...??
  • bort
    bort
    Unicorn Overlord
    Joined Oct 2011 Posts: 8,257
    bort said:
    For many years, players could grind the lowest raid target(s) with just about any fleet. That would allow them to get raid prizes that would help advance them in their game. They couldn't get all that much but every little bit helped. Somewhere along the line kix ramped up their greed factor and now you need the best of the best to even do raid and take four hours damage per target to go with it. Can't even help others get everything they need as it costs too much and prepping is out of the question now with such lengthy repairs.
    kinda but not really. could not get any decent level prizes that way, except in the first year or two - and then it was grinding for 40 hours over the 4 days. Can you imagine people on here now grinding out 40 hours in 4 days. They complain when they have to put in more than an hour in a day.

    these days, with the top fleet you can knock out the top raid prize on day one, without spending a single coin. even within the first couple hours on day one, without spending a single coin. yes, you might take a few hours of repairs after hitting a couple targets, but that gets you a huge number of points towards the top prizes.
    They moved teh grind option to teh second tier fleets, if you don't have first or second tier fleet for that raid you're sh** outta luck.
    you work your way up to tier 2 fleets, through fm and tlcs ... no luck about it.
  • bort
    bort
    Unicorn Overlord
    Joined Oct 2011 Posts: 8,257
    bort said:
    For many years, players could grind the lowest raid target(s) with just about any fleet. That would allow them to get raid prizes that would help advance them in their game. They couldn't get all that much but every little bit helped. Somewhere along the line kix ramped up their greed factor and now you need the best of the best to even do raid and take four hours damage per target to go with it. Can't even help others get everything they need as it costs too much and prepping is out of the question now with such lengthy repairs.
    kinda but not really. could not get any decent level prizes that way, except in the first year or two - and then it was grinding for 40 hours over the 4 days. Can you imagine people on here now grinding out 40 hours in 4 days. They complain when they have to put in more than an hour in a day.

    these days, with the top fleet you can knock out the top raid prize on day one, without spending a single coin. even within the first couple hours on day one, without spending a single coin. yes, you might take a few hours of repairs after hitting a couple targets, but that gets you a huge number of points towards the top prizes.
    well show us this build u clam can " knock out the top raid prize on day one, without spending a single coin. even within the first couple hours"
    i would really like to see that 1
    I did it in the first day but not first few hours using no coin.
    two or three s sets, and the rest using my caedes while my mantis repair.

    admittedly you could probably do it within 3 hours with just caedes.
  • carl.wear.3
    carl.wear.3
    Unicorn Overlord
    Joined May 2013 Posts: 5,686
    It's not a limited print. You got the blueprint, you got the dark wing cic. You can only put it on three ships per fleet though.
    thats not correct. you can have 5 in a fleet but you only get the duplicate aura cap of 3 of them.
  • Carlos_DaPoof
    Carlos_DaPoof
    Master Tactician
    Joined Mar 2018 Posts: 2,098
    You must have a good build then.
    Isn't that the point?
    " I see no solid discussion or argument. Just whining and name calling. You pose no reason or logic to back up your position and can't articulate a reason why "
  • Carlos_DaPoof
    Carlos_DaPoof
    Master Tactician
    Joined Mar 2018 Posts: 2,098
    For many years, players could grind the lowest raid target(s) with just about any fleet. That would allow them to get raid prizes that would help advance them in their game. They couldn't get all that much but every little bit helped. Somewhere along the line kix ramped up their greed factor and now you need the best of the best to even do raid and take four hours damage per target to go with it. Can't even help others get everything they need as it costs too much and prepping is out of the question now with such lengthy repairs.
    You can do T6 sets easily with last year's fleets for about half the repair you are citing.
    So....players can still grind the lowest targets and get enough points to win a little bit.
    " I see no solid discussion or argument. Just whining and name calling. You pose no reason or logic to back up your position and can't articulate a reason why "
  • TheHolsh
    TheHolsh
    Unicorn Overlord
    Joined Apr 2012 Posts: 4,519
    TheHolsh said:
    April_S1 said:
    30,267 anyone notice numbers online and thats for a raid.
    Anyone notice that people don't know what this number truly means and still post it like they think that is the amount of people playing BP?
    Yup but I remember when it was over 100,000 too.
    TheHolsh said:
    April_S1 said:
    30,267 anyone notice numbers online and thats for a raid.
    Anyone notice that people don't know what this number truly means and still post it like they think that is the amount of people playing BP?
    No, that number is worse than that...

    Considering that that number use to be in the 100k mark, the fact that it is now consistently only a third of it, should have Kix concerned..
    Oh, and it is not like 2 games have moved off/ended being on this website. As I said, people do not know the full extent of the meaning of this number.
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  • Silver Stefaans
    Silver Stefaans
    Minor Nuisance
    Joined Jun 2018 Posts: 252
    Yep, build current. If you're building behind, you will always be behind. Get someone in your sector/alli to help you get a current raid hull one raid and then the weapon, specials, and armor the next. By the 4th raid you will have enough built to do raid on your own. Just keep current with the raid fleet because that becomes the fleet needed for future non-raid targets. Squeeze in dragons for fm as you can so you can get the build tokens to help speed things up.
    This is exactly what is wrong. Why start with a gunboat and then have a hundred hulls in between up to the newest if you cannot play the freaking game with them?

    Sure there are big coiners/players that want to get ahead, well give them new stuff, but keep the older stuff relevant so that people can actually play the game and not be caught in a rat race all the time. Otherwise just scrap the lot of useless items in between and relieve the lag that comes with it.
  • chris.conti.14
    chris.conti.14
    Greenhorn
    Joined Feb 2013 Posts: 7
    another crappy raid unless you own the latest fleet - I bought 3 good fleets complete but none work for this - another useless raid - I coin stuff some fleets some repair but now im still too far behind i guess - F- grade on this one
  • The Amazing Jeff
    The Amazing Jeff
    Strike-force Captain
    Joined Jun 2014 Posts: 932
    Yep, build current. If you're building behind, you will always be behind. Get someone in your sector/alli to help you get a current raid hull one raid and then the weapon, specials, and armor the next. By the 4th raid you will have enough built to do raid on your own. Just keep current with the raid fleet because that becomes the fleet needed for future non-raid targets. Squeeze in dragons for fm as you can so you can get the build tokens to help speed things up.
    This is exactly what is wrong. Why start with a gunboat and then have a hundred hulls in between up to the newest if you cannot play the freaking game with them?

    Sure there are big coiners/players that want to get ahead, well give them new stuff, but keep the older stuff relevant so that people can actually play the game and not be caught in a rat race all the time. Otherwise just scrap the lot of useless items in between and relieve the lag that comes with it.
    99% of the old hulls are not "expected" to be used, we used every hull to advance through the campaigns/collect blueprints but now you just need to get the punisher by using what ever you have to do 1 lvl 40 garrison, then use punishers to grind out the IB/mono etc then you can do top tier FM prizes and "get in the game", all those hundred hulls are relics, you can't "play" this game until you've got a half decent fleet of every class OR skip parts of the game/get help.
  • The Amazing Jeff
    The Amazing Jeff
    Strike-force Captain
    Joined Jun 2014 Posts: 932
    bort said:

    They moved teh grind option to teh second tier fleets, if you don't have first or second tier fleet for that raid you're sh** outta luck.
    you work your way up to tier 2 fleets, through fm and tlcs ... no luck about it.
    It's just a saying but nevermind...
  • MERC MAN
    MERC MAN
    Skilled Warrior
    Joined Nov 2013 Posts: 479
    another crappy raid unless you own the latest fleet - I bought 3 good fleets complete but none work for this - another useless raid - I coin stuff some fleets some repair but now im still too far behind i guess - F- grade on this one
    chris no offence mate, but if your spending coins to buy complete fleets, then in all honesty you could have saved yourself some money on outdated tech, and coined repairs in the first cycle of this raid series. 

    By now you could have had a full fleet of Mantis fully ranked, and be able to do T8 sets.
    There are several ways of getting good points, if your prepared to coin repairs (around 8 to 10 coins per T8 set on) with a little seat time you would easily get 200 mill points plus. Non coining would fairly easily get you in excess of 100 mill points over the four days.

    I have seen it stated by players that they are sitting this cycle out, thats a massive mistake, the next raid in this series is the hull raid, in that raid the new hull for the next cycle will be available to win. Win that and at the very least, by the second raid of that cycle you will be in the position of being able to compete in that cycle.
  • kixeyeuser_1399272424228_100008180803253
    kixeyeuser_1399272424228_100008180803253
    Potential Threat
    Joined Apr 2016 Posts: 76
    jasebase said:
    Wow.... I just hit a 65......killed it ...just and it pretty much wiped my fleet of Skys out!!!

    Bonus though, I'm sitting 5th in my sector for only killing a 65!!!! Go me, or should I say way to go Kix...??
    My Skys can do a full 60's set on auto for 1hr 36min damage.
  • The Amazing Jeff
    The Amazing Jeff
    Strike-force Captain
    Joined Jun 2014 Posts: 932
    MERC MAN said:
    another crappy raid unless you own the latest fleet - I bought 3 good fleets complete but none work for this - another useless raid - I coin stuff some fleets some repair but now im still too far behind i guess - F- grade on this one
    chris no offence mate, but if your spending coins to buy complete fleets, then in all honesty you could have saved yourself some money on outdated tech, and coined repairs in the first cycle of this raid series. 

    By now you could have had a full fleet of Mantis fully ranked, and be able to do T8 sets.
    There are several ways of getting good points, if your prepared to coin repairs (around 8 to 10 coins per T8 set on) with a little seat time you would easily get 200 mill points plus. Non coining would fairly easily get you in excess of 100 mill points over the four days.

    I have seen it stated by players that they are sitting this cycle out, thats a massive mistake, the next raid in this series is the hull raid, in that raid the new hull for the next cycle will be available to win. Win that and at the very least, by the second raid of that cycle you will be in the position of being able to compete in that cycle.
    Sooo ,, related note, we're all anticipating a new skirmish hull , so Proto-tides will be obsolete in another 4 weeks?
  • Evil.Imp
    Evil.Imp
    Minor Nuisance
    Joined Feb 2014 Posts: 133
    30,725 PLAYERS ONLINE

    This shows the amount of people that are logged into kixeye dot com.
    This figure does not represent how many people logged into battle pirates at any given time.

    Kix keeps this figure up because it's a much larger number than those actually playing battle pirates. They don't want us to really see that there's only a couple thousand playing at any given time.

    There's also no way to verify that, that number is legit for how many are logged into kixeye. Kixeye could very well be fudging it in an attempt to keep more from quitting.
    Well my son started raid today and was put on the 15000 something, that the prox numbers doing this raid i belive. He was doing some targets until he got the max U bonus and now he was ranked 11000 something. Thats when he only had 13,5 mill.

    Numbers do show clearly less activity, and i do belive most of this players has a very limited coining done.



    well I am ranked 25,632 in the raid so I guess there must be at least 25 thousand 6 hundred and 31 people out there doing better than me :) - that means your 15 thou is a little off.
  • BlackAdder314
    BlackAdder314
    Potential Threat
    Joined Jan 2015 Posts: 78
    bort said:
    kinda but not really. could not get any decent level prizes that way, except in the first year or two - and then it was grinding for 40 hours over the 4 days. Can you imagine people on here now grinding out 40 hours in 4 days. They complain when they have to put in more than an hour in a day.

    these days, with the top fleet you can knock out the top raid prize on day one, without spending a single coin. even within the first couple hours on day one, without spending a single coin. yes, you might take a few hours of repairs after hitting a couple targets, but that gets you a huge number of points towards the top prizes.
    Don't blame the players for the game designers being unable to create raid scenarios that are equally challenging and FUN for all players. 

    Instead, the reward the whales and punish players who haven't been able to keep up. 
  • Drax
    Drax
    Force to be Reckoned With
    Joined Oct 2012 Posts: 1,718
    TIGGGGGER said:
    why can't we redeem anymore dark wing CIC?   i hav 1 atm....... in the spreed sheet it says duplicate cap of 3 how do i get another 2?
    click one of your manties and click refit, click the cic and change it then click build... you can have as many fitted as you have manties but only 3 will stack at once (so not a problem if one dies cos the next will step up to the plate) 
    ...
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