Solution Discussion: "Ring of Fire" Exploit

  • chat109
    chat109
    Potential Threat
    Joined May 2015 Posts: 94
    chat109 said:
    revenge button.. simple and best fixed.. but kixeye just not listening.. lol..
    The impact of this to game performance would drive us to not playing anymore. Some players would be getting spammed 24/7 by the "revenge button" lmfao. 

    that will force those big ego who love to hit offline to coin their base defender... that will bring in my profit for kixeye...and u expect to hit 10 and only get hit once cos u can hide in bubble?  more hit = more fun
  • prim8
    prim8
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    Joined Aug 2012 Posts: 151
    I keep seeing everyone talk about auto click .. and that the ring of fire cant be busted .. my internet connection is not the greatest it is stable but I'm only on a 10 meg connection .sys tem soon to be upgraded to fiber and 100 meg connection lol cant wait . the attacker has the ability to leave battle once any unit has been deployed. The defender if he enters a battle cant leave ..they are stuck in battle if they chose to defend .. the key is the defenders and others that may surround a toon but once you have become the attacker the advantage is all yours because you can leave battle and you can already have the next toon targeted because you can pull up the drop box .. and ready to attack .. thus giving the "initial" attacker at least a 2-3 second head start on starting the next battle ..so the ability to leave and pull up the drop box is the  advantage  . once i have become the attacker i can pretty much keep attacking anything that gets close to my toon because i can leave battle and get the "drop box" with  attack button up and ready .. .. so ring of fire is a very easy fix if your  an attacker kix can make it so you cant pull up the drop box on the next toon  just like if someone is attacking you cant pull up the drop box till the battle is over....then and only then will you have a real 50/50 chance on then next attack .. then it will be all about ping , internet net speed and mouse skill`s .. as far as 69 is concerned not sure there is a good way to fix that way to many variables... is it an alt acct ? is it a real attack ?  ..i have popped during a sector invasion not caring about infamy several times in just a short time defending sector ..but yet not gaining any infamy .. just toon fighting .. that's one thing but popping gaining infamy several times in an hour  or so ?maybe there is a time frame kix could establish ?  gaining infamy and not losing infamy + being bubbled in same time frame ? 
  • giveup123
    giveup123
    Strike-force Captain
    Joined Dec 2012 Posts: 733
    prim8 said:
    I keep seeing everyone talk about auto click .. and that the ring of fire cant be busted .. my internet connection is not the greatest it is stable but I'm only on a 10 meg connection .sys tem soon to be upgraded to fiber and 100 meg connection lol cant wait . the attacker has the ability to leave battle once any unit has been deployed. The defender if he enters a battle cant leave ..they are stuck in battle if they chose to defend .. the key is the defenders and others that may surround a toon but once you have become the attacker the advantage is all yours because you can leave battle and you can already have the next toon targeted because you can pull up the drop box .. and ready to attack .. thus giving the "initial" attacker at least a 2-3 second head start on starting the next battle ..so the ability to leave and pull up the drop box is the  advantage  . once i have become the attacker i can pretty much keep attacking anything that gets close to my toon because i can leave battle and get the "drop box" with  attack button up and ready .. .. so ring of fire is a very easy fix if your  an attacker kix can make it so you cant pull up the drop box on the next toon  just like if someone is attacking you cant pull up the drop box till the battle is over....then and only then will you have a real 50/50 chance on then next attack .. then it will be all about ping , internet net speed and mouse skill`s .. as far as 69 is concerned not sure there is a good way to fix that way to many variables... is it an alt acct ? is it a real attack ?  ..i have popped during a sector invasion not caring about infamy several times in just a short time defending sector ..but yet not gaining any infamy .. just toon fighting .. that's one thing but popping gaining infamy several times in an hour  or so ?maybe there is a time frame kix could establish ?  gaining infamy and not losing infamy + being bubbled in same time frame ? 
     dont be surprised 100meg not that great, but better then 10,

  • prim8
    prim8
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    Joined Aug 2012 Posts: 151
    giveup123 said:
    prim8 said:
    I keep seeing everyone talk about auto click .. and that the ring of fire cant be busted .. my internet connection is not the greatest it is stable but I'm only on a 10 meg connection .sys tem soon to be upgraded to fiber and 100 meg connection lol cant wait . the attacker has the ability to leave battle once any unit has been deployed. The defender if he enters a battle cant leave ..they are stuck in battle if they chose to defend .. the key is the defenders and others that may surround a toon but once you have become the attacker the advantage is all yours because you can leave battle and you can already have the next toon targeted because you can pull up the drop box .. and ready to attack .. thus giving the "initial" attacker at least a 2-3 second head start on starting the next battle ..so the ability to leave and pull up the drop box is the  advantage  . once i have become the attacker i can pretty much keep attacking anything that gets close to my toon because i can leave battle and get the "drop box" with  attack button up and ready .. .. so ring of fire is a very easy fix if your  an attacker kix can make it so you cant pull up the drop box on the next toon  just like if someone is attacking you cant pull up the drop box till the battle is over....then and only then will you have a real 50/50 chance on then next attack .. then it will be all about ping , internet net speed and mouse skill`s .. as far as 69 is concerned not sure there is a good way to fix that way to many variables... is it an alt acct ? is it a real attack ?  ..i have popped during a sector invasion not caring about infamy several times in just a short time defending sector ..but yet not gaining any infamy .. just toon fighting .. that's one thing but popping gaining infamy several times in an hour  or so ?maybe there is a time frame kix could establish ?  gaining infamy and not losing infamy + being bubbled in same time frame ? 
     dont be surprised 100meg not that great, but better then 10,

    nice connection !! 
  • giveup123
    giveup123
    Strike-force Captain
    Joined Dec 2012 Posts: 733
    prim8 said:
    giveup123 said:
    prim8 said:
    I keep seeing everyone talk about auto click .. and that the ring of fire cant be busted .. my internet connection is not the greatest it is stable but I'm only on a 10 meg connection .sys tem soon to be upgraded to fiber and 100 meg connection lol cant wait . the attacker has the ability to leave battle once any unit has been deployed. The defender if he enters a battle cant leave ..they are stuck in battle if they chose to defend .. the key is the defenders and others that may surround a toon but once you have become the attacker the advantage is all yours because you can leave battle and you can already have the next toon targeted because you can pull up the drop box .. and ready to attack .. thus giving the "initial" attacker at least a 2-3 second head start on starting the next battle ..so the ability to leave and pull up the drop box is the  advantage  . once i have become the attacker i can pretty much keep attacking anything that gets close to my toon because i can leave battle and get the "drop box" with  attack button up and ready .. .. so ring of fire is a very easy fix if your  an attacker kix can make it so you cant pull up the drop box on the next toon  just like if someone is attacking you cant pull up the drop box till the battle is over....then and only then will you have a real 50/50 chance on then next attack .. then it will be all about ping , internet net speed and mouse skill`s .. as far as 69 is concerned not sure there is a good way to fix that way to many variables... is it an alt acct ? is it a real attack ?  ..i have popped during a sector invasion not caring about infamy several times in just a short time defending sector ..but yet not gaining any infamy .. just toon fighting .. that's one thing but popping gaining infamy several times in an hour  or so ?maybe there is a time frame kix could establish ?  gaining infamy and not losing infamy + being bubbled in same time frame ? 
     dont be surprised 100meg not that great, but better then 10,

    nice connection !! 
    virgin media nice one,u pay £5 more for over 350mbs u get about 400
  • CM_Burny
    CM_Burny
    KIXEYE Community Manager
    Joined Oct 2017 Posts: 1,048
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  • Spankz-Yaz
    Spankz-Yaz
    Greenhorn
    Joined May 2014 Posts: 8
    i am truly amazed that kixeye neither know or understand what 69 is, its nothing to do with ring of fire, ring of fire is so easy to break its laughable at best, 69 is when enemy takes a hit putting himself in dome the second he has started an attack on your base, this is 69 kixeye, your efforts to stop ring of fire have now pushed 69 upon us even more, you are in essence pushing players away from the game with these silly moves you keep doing, the game was balanced, and then you bring out darkstorm, barely able to defend against it, so people 69, why? to protect their ego and infamy, yes infamy the very thing you pushed upon us, so for every mistake you make kixeye there is a counter action formed by players, seen as you like counter play so much!!! now, as you listen to forum cry babies and not the gold spenders, maybe we should start crying on forums about all the issues with the game, will you then set about fixing those? i very much doubt it
  • ChristianinAlience
    ChristianinAlience
    Minor Nuisance
    Joined May 2013 Posts: 271
    there go's the game. i see kixeyes is messing up . with the NEW HACK that is "permanent" 69(ring of fire hack) how in the world does this apply to (" that "platoons lose two (2) consecutive battles will retreat back to base") when it is a "permanent" attack?????i see you went ahead and "gave the "hackers "" the go ahead and cheat, while the rest of the NON hackers are getting bubbled.. i know you went backwards on this.. good bye coiners and hello cheater game.
    .
  • Larry D Elliott
    Larry D Elliott
    Skilled Warrior
    Joined Oct 2012 Posts: 464
    "ring of fire is certainly a pain in the arse and this will no doubt help, but all it will probably result in is players taking a friendly 1 star while attacking. This is as common as using the method you are countering. 
    I do not think this proposed solution will fix all exploitive behaviour, no. The idea is to curtail and mitigate in the short term (which I believe this will do) while we work out a longer term solution.

    Regards,
    Goldendoodle
    Ring of fire is a separate as kixeye has deemed it as a exploit... that being said the other issue is "69" Definition of this is when 2 players give each other a bubble 1 star 2 star 3 star . now that we all understand this. lets move on to solutions.

    Kixeye's current Solution to their Ideal of 69 ..AKA ring of fire. is to add more to the game. np I appluad the change
     lets move on to the real 69 which is friendly bubbles. :
    Some might not like my opinion and thats ok  . just a opinion

    1st solution
    Do away with bubbles completely.. you want more PVP @ kixeye then do this and lower repair cost/times/gold... btw will never happen My opinion again

    2nd Solution
    Provide revenge attacks for those attacked. this would discourage the friendly bubbles.
    lets provide a little more  of this idea : once a player is attacked he / she has 24 hours to retalliate. 1 attack only . the original attacker's base platoon needs to be repaired so to be fair their protection bubble only last as long as the repair is needed. thereby making it fair even if they are offline.


    so lets say Player A is attacked by Player B Player A has 24 hours to retaliate . Player B has say 2 hours repair on his base platoon before he /she can be attacked by Player A . thereby making it a so called fair  fight LOL nothing fair in real war where there are no protection bubbles and enemy's don't care if you equipment or troops are healed and ready .
     
    So thats my idea : hate me like don't care just stop the crying on the forums about changes. you know youre addicted so just play :) happy hunting all


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  • ChristianinAlience
    ChristianinAlience
    Minor Nuisance
    Joined May 2013 Posts: 271
    edited 10 May 2018, 3:24AM
    "ring of fire is certainly a pain in the arse and this will no doubt help, but all it will probably result in is players taking a friendly 1 star while attacking. This is as common as using the method you are countering. 
    I do not think this proposed solution will fix all exploitive behaviour, no. The idea is to curtail and mitigate in the short term (which I believe this will do) while we work out a longer term solution.

    Regards,
    Goldendoodle
    Ring of fire is a separate as kixeye has deemed it as a exploit... that being said the other issue is "69" Definition of this is when 2 players give each other a bubble 1 star 2 star 3 star . now that we all understand this. lets move on to solutions.

    Kixeye's current Solution to their Ideal of 69 ..AKA ring of fire. is to add more to the game. np I appluad the change
     lets move on to the real 69 which is friendly bubbles. :
    Some might not like my opinion and thats ok  . just a opinion

    1st solution
    Do away with bubbles completely.. you want more PVP @ kixeye then do this and lower repair cost/times/gold... btw will never happen My opinion again

    2nd Solution
    Provide revenge attacks for those attacked. this would discourage the friendly bubbles.
    lets provide a little more  of this idea : once a player is attacked he / she has 24 hours to retalliate. 1 attack only . the original attacker's base platoon needs to be repaired so to be fair their protection bubble only last as long as the repair is needed. thereby making it fair even if they are offline.


    so lets say Player A is attacked by Player B Player A has 24 hours to retaliate . Player B has say 2 hours repair on his base platoon before he /she can be attacked by Player A . thereby making it a so called fair  fight LOL nothing fair in real war where there are no protection bubbles and enemy's don't care if you equipment or troops are healed and ready .
     
    So thats my idea : hate me like don't care just stop the crying on the forums about changes. you know youre addicted so just play :) happy hunting all


    so................ kixeyes made a "new rule" that for years the ring of fire was used as a tactic to slow down enemy toons hitting your base. then now it is a  exploit? because "cheaters" use it in a macro hack to :

    A. beat the other guy to the punch not to hit toon .
    B. use a permanent time on the ring of fire hack so they do not worry on others to use or use the alt. accounts they have.

    this sounds like an exploit from kixeyes advantage to use fair players that do not use the hack to spend more coin because the cheaters WILL use it and we as "fair players" will and are getting screwed to spend more coins in pvp/invasion events. i see it as an exploit kixeyes is using 
  • chat109
    chat109
    Potential Threat
    Joined May 2015 Posts: 94
    CM_Burny said:
    Thank you everyone for your passionate replies, feedback, and concerns. As you know, we just launched the Morale feature and would like to hear your feedback. If you feel inclined to share your opinion, please respond here.

    69 problem is actually more serious than the ring of fire problem....need a time frame when that is going to be fixed.
  • H-A-N-S-L-E-Y
    H-A-N-S-L-E-Y
    Greenhorn
    Joined Aug 2014 Posts: 1
    Ring of fire you at least have a chance to break in and kill, now every idiot just selfies after 1 hit. Thanks for this update moron farmers. Maybe you should get some fighters on your kixeye team and not farmers. You may understand what coiners are looking for in this game and not a bunch of wankers that never spend a dollar or leave sector are complaining about. This new update is one of the dumbest yet...
  • I_C_U 101
    I_C_U 101
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    Joined May 2012 Posts: 275
    Soooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo, the ring of fire, which was not a problem they try to fix, Im starting to think Kixeye are snowflakes liberals , trying to fix something we did not ask for fixing on , FIX the **** 69ing , its getting real old , THE SUBJECT OF THIS CONVERSATION IS "69" Exploit , yet you all tried to divert is to the ring of fire, get back of fcking topic, and fix the **** problem
    winoza
  • Axel L
    Axel L
    WC Mod
    Joined Mar 2013 Posts: 9,699
    I_C_U 101 said:
    Soooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo, the ring of fire, which was not a problem they try to fix, Im starting to think Kixeye are snowflakes liberals , trying to fix something we did not ask for fixing on , FIX the **** 69ing , its getting real old , THE SUBJECT OF THIS CONVERSATION IS "69" Exploit , yet you all tried to divert is to the ring of fire, get back of fcking topic, and fix the **** problem
    It's not that easy for the kixeye employees to know the exact meaning of every term in the game. In addition to that, there was a lot of forum discussions about the "Ring of Fire" where the original poster did refer it as 69ing which probably increased the confusion between the terms even further.

    To be clear, this discussion is about how kixeye planned to eliminate the issue of players protecting there base from being attacked with attacking platoons.
    Video games don't cause violence, lag does.
  • kixeyeuser_999921827_19539_3419532
    kixeyeuser_999921827_19539_3419532
    Greenhorn
    Joined Nov 2015 Posts: 15
    Kixeye, please make it away that damage protection can be 4 hours. This will increase the chance that we can GET our REVENGE on players who have been getting a buddy bubble. We wouldn't have to wait for months to hit that player back. 
  • it will fitz
    it will fitz
    Strike-force Captain
    Joined Feb 2013 Posts: 866
    remember, just a couple days ago, when they did not put back the 36 hour bubble after warpath? it stayed at 4 hour bubble for several hour ... and many people flipped their wigs over it??

    good luck with a full time 4hr bubble suggestion
    1.618034
  • chaoshq
    chaoshq
    Skilled Warrior
    Joined Mar 2013 Posts: 425
    ring of fire....69....well i hope kix will stop letting people jail other players and i would also like to see a morale for bases, if i attack someone and i see the base is too hard for me then I want to attack the base twice without success and then on my third attack i want the base to be damaged 50% already.....yeah yeah I am being sarcastic. PVP has become a joke - but please don't blame the players, its kix fault with repair times, short jump times etc. its all about gold for the last year...gold gold gold

  • mikeysheppard
    mikeysheppard
    Greenhorn
    Joined Dec 2012 Posts: 12
    theirs always make option if u get hit even if play is in bubble to  attack back from inside ur base for free  even if they just bubbled them self that was a player can get a revenge hit back 
  • Axel L
    Axel L
    WC Mod
    Joined Mar 2013 Posts: 9,699
    I do agree that it would at least solve the self bubbling issue in some way but I would prefer to see the regular damage protection duration to be slightly longer like 8-12 hours to make the protection last at least 1 night to let our base guard repair fully.
    Video games don't cause violence, lag does.
  • Valhalla76
    Valhalla76
    Incursion Leader
    Joined Feb 2013 Posts: 1,090
    edited 16 May 2018, 10:51PM
    Perma 4 hours bubbles would suck, some of us work, and sleep, I dont want to have to check my game all the time, simple solution is any platoon sitting idle on the world map for over a permitted time, say 5 mins, then auto returns home, that will clear the maps and make it harder not impossible for things, as for time similar to Axel said change the times to 1 star 4 hours, 2 star 8 hours and 3 star 12 hours.
  • teasy1
    teasy1
    Greenhorn
    Joined Nov 2013 Posts: 5
    easy to say. kix is stupid... ring of fire was the only thing for real player to play war! kix delete it but not 69shit. so all heavys yet do 69 and talk in chat. glory kix! delte the 69. you have no idee? simple-- like warpath only not 2 days i would like 2weeks per player.
  • ChristianinAlience
    ChristianinAlience
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    Joined May 2013 Posts: 271
    edited 28 May 2018, 6:02PM
    teasy1 said:
    easy to say. kix is stupid... ring of fire was the only thing for real player to play war! kix delete it but not 69shit. so all heavys yet do 69 and talk in chat. glory kix! delte the 69. you have no idee? simple-- like warpath only not 2 days i would like 2weeks per player.
  • ChristianinAlience
    ChristianinAlience
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    Joined May 2013 Posts: 271
    edited 28 May 2018, 6:06PM
    teasy1 said:
    easy to say. kix is stupid... ring of fire was the only thing for real player to play war! kix delete it but not 69shit. so all heavys yet do 69 and talk in chat. glory kix! delte the 69. you have no idee? simple-- like warpath only not 2 days i would like 2weeks per player.
    this ring of fire (without the hack) kixeye took away from all of us good fair players because of a few cheaters using a macro hack. kixeyes is "exploiting" this to "their" advantage for all of us to "coin". it is like kixeyes said we can build a castle and we can not build a moat around it to defend. this ring of fire from day one was being used sense the map was created by kixeyes. so this is the reason why kixeyes i will not support your game nor coin any more.. you lost a paying customer.  this is why i posted this , seems like people hates the ring of fire because of the "free jumps"  and the "hit and run then friendly "bubble" tactic, "69". kixeyes is using this (as some say is an exploit),to "their "advantage". another words, a lot of you people complaining, dug your own hole  and now kixeyes is using it to make money on. that being said the other issue is

    "69" Definition of this is when 2 players give each other a bubble 1 star 2 star 3 star . now that we all understand this. lets move on.

     you really think using the ring of fire means "someone is using a "cheat auto clicker" LOL and before you say it, i played this game 5+ years and got good performance in this game and i can "break the ring of fire easy" i hate cheaters that use the auto clicker(macro) and they are the big losers. kixeyes can NOT "fix" a micro auto clicker because it runs a program "on" your computer. not incorporated in flash or a bot..how i know this! because i use to work for MSN dev. team to combat the cheats in their chat program..and now retired from them..

     69 is a tactic that is used as a strategy to not let people bubble your base, you don't like it, tough luck, it is NOT a exploit or cheat. you can complaint all you want , but it is still legal to do. 
  • RickSanchez
    RickSanchez
    Minor Nuisance
    Joined Apr 2017 Posts: 246
    can u stop discuse about game strategy??? 69 will always be in game and you CANT change that
  • kixeyeuser_631003918_14926_2932941
    kixeyeuser_631003918_14926_2932941
    Greenhorn
    Joined Oct 2014 Posts: 23
    you do **** against hackers who have/use unlimited toons attacking 24/7 and you complain about 69!!


    ban me :)


    put my base in a crater and Ill gladly walk away


    ps you'd best change your terms and conditions as 69 is not a exploit its a tactic

    ring of fire is not a cheat or exploit its a tactic,unless you use auto clickers or some other outside problem to carry out that function, get a fukking grip, ban the hackers and maybe we would all then be happy to fight given a level playing field


  • NightMare_OC
    NightMare_OC
    Skilled Warrior
    Joined Nov 2014 Posts: 516
     for who cries self bbl hmmm? lol
  • jcraw472
    jcraw472
    Strike-force Captain
    Joined Jun 2013 Posts: 652
    Kixeye, please make it away that damage protection can be 4 hours. This will increase the chance that we can GET our REVENGE on players who have been getting a buddy bubble. We wouldn't have to wait for months to hit that player back. 
    dont think u would like that idea as much as u say u would because just remember otheres get the same on u lol
  • Sarkis 2
    Sarkis 2
    Skilled Warrior
    Joined Jan 2017 Posts: 545
    edited 28 May 2018, 11:18PM
    hello all 
    i got an idea to stop players from 69ing or self bubbling .
    so the idea is if you got attacked and the attacker got over 50% .. 1 star 
    you will choose to get a bubble or keep not bubbled 
    but if you choose to get bubble you wont be able to hit any PvP base for 30 min - 1 hour 
    RFT admin

  • Sasuke970
    Sasuke970
    Skilled Warrior
    Joined Apr 2018 Posts: 436
    Or they could make things simple like when we try to put a 6th platoon around our base,we can't because the 6th tile is an illegal tile.
  • Sarkis 2
    Sarkis 2
    Skilled Warrior
    Joined Jan 2017 Posts: 545
    Sasuke970 said:
    Or they could make things simple like when we try to put a 6th platoon around our base,we can't because the 6th tile is an illegal tile.
    ring of fire can be broken .. but self bubbling not .. after every attack people use their alts to give their self 1 star
    RFT admin

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