Letter from Will Harbin about the Future of Battle Pirates

  • jredwar
    jredwar
    Greenhorn
    Joined May 2015 Posts: 12
    Oh by the way, GREENHORN!!!  Lvl 101, been playing for 6 years and I'm still just a Greenhorn.  This broken too???
  • mike.singer.980
    mike.singer.980
    Potential Threat
    Joined Feb 2013 Posts: 53
    David_T57 said:
    Quit listening to all the high lvl players/coiners and pay more attention to the mid lvl players there's more of us then there is of them....
    The Middle Class always gets kicked in the teeth 
  • DarkMercenary
    DarkMercenary
    Force to be Reckoned With
    Joined Jun 2017 Posts: 1,602
    jredwar said:
    Oh by the way, GREENHORN!!!  Lvl 101, been playing for 6 years and I'm still just a Greenhorn.  This broken too???
    It's dependent on how much you post in the forums not how many years you've played/had an account on here.
    DarkMercenary (WOTWU)

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  • Carmella Lovett
    Carmella Lovett
    Potential Threat
    Joined May 2012 Posts: 33

    May 2nd marked the seven year anniversary of Battle Pirates - a game I'm incredibly proud of. Over the years we've seen exciting new factions, incredible player tributes, and tons of emergent gameplay. But if there's one thing I've learned in my tenure, it's this:

    Complacency is death.

    Unfortunately, Battle Pirates has become a bog of complacency. A lack of diligence has allowed balance-breaking bugs to escape and go unnoticed for months. A lack of community engagement has caused us to lose touch with the speed that players can realistically progress. A lack of planning has forced the team to wildly over-tune stats, targets, and events in order to shoehorn value into new content.

    All because of complacency. Well, complacency isn’t going to cut it and it’s time for us to right this ship. So what are we doing to fix this?

    First, I’ve put a new leadership team in place. Our issues don’t stem from the talented individuals working long, difficult hours to execute on the nuts-and-bolts of the game, it’s about how we’re deploying those resources. Heading up that leadership team is our new GM, Michael Rubinelli. A State of the Game post will go up in the next few weeks in which he will discuss the long-term look for Battle Pirates. Additionally, our new Lead Designer WrongThinker will be putting up a post on Wednesday introducing himself, as well as the second part of our correction strategy, which I will now spoil.

    Battle Pirates has adopted a philosophy that dictates everything we do. It’s simple: “Players First.” Content and features will continue to ship, because that’s how the game is supported, but with every new feature, we will always ask: how does this enhance the player experience? How does this make a player’s life better? Easier? More fun? If the only answer to why we’re putting something in the game is money - I don’t want it in the game.

    Finally, we’re tripling down on our community engagement efforts. Expect to see more developer presence, more AMAs, more live streams, more unadulterated proof that the Battle Pirates team is exactly as invested in the continued success and longevity of this game as you are.

    The fact that we’re in this position is no one’s fault but our own. The time of complacency is over. You’ve shown us that you’re here for the long haul, and it’s time for us to show you that we’re here for it too.

    Long live Battle Pirates!

    Will Harbin

    CEO


    Right...sure...don't believe a dang thing you said...All talk and no action...You guys all suck, you're worse than politicians. All you care about is money...screw you. 
    Oh wow....I'm scared...truth hurts huh kix...well here's another **** you.
    Don't wait for the storm to pass, learn to dance in the rain
  • i take it this has to do with not making enough money in raid as all i saw in most sectors was about 20 to 60 players doing raid, far cry from the days when leader board for sector would be 300 to 400 players 
  • Schlacky Sanson
    Schlacky Sanson
    Greenhorn
    Joined Feb 2017 Posts: 21
    How about getting rid of the tiered prizes and the "Locked Store" in the raid to help players be able to get want they need/want without having to spend points on "shtuff" they don't.  
  • Carmella Lovett
    Carmella Lovett
    Potential Threat
    Joined May 2012 Posts: 33

    May 2nd marked the seven year anniversary of Battle Pirates - a game I'm incredibly proud of. Over the years we've seen exciting new factions, incredible player tributes, and tons of emergent gameplay. But if there's one thing I've learned in my tenure, it's this:

    Complacency is death.

    Unfortunately, Battle Pirates has become a bog of complacency. A lack of diligence has allowed balance-breaking bugs to escape and go unnoticed for months. A lack of community engagement has caused us to lose touch with the speed that players can realistically progress. A lack of planning has forced the team to wildly over-tune stats, targets, and events in order to shoehorn value into new content.

    All because of complacency. Well, complacency isn’t going to cut it and it’s time for us to right this ship. So what are we doing to fix this?

    First, I’ve put a new leadership team in place. Our issues don’t stem from the talented individuals working long, difficult hours to execute on the nuts-and-bolts of the game, it’s about how we’re deploying those resources. Heading up that leadership team is our new GM, Michael Rubinelli. A State of the Game post will go up in the next few weeks in which he will discuss the long-term look for Battle Pirates. Additionally, our new Lead Designer WrongThinker will be putting up a post on Wednesday introducing himself, as well as the second part of our correction strategy, which I will now spoil.

    Battle Pirates has adopted a philosophy that dictates everything we do. It’s simple: “Players First.” Content and features will continue to ship, because that’s how the game is supported, but with every new feature, we will always ask: how does this enhance the player experience? How does this make a player’s life better? Easier? More fun? If the only answer to why we’re putting something in the game is money - I don’t want it in the game.

    Finally, we’re tripling down on our community engagement efforts. Expect to see more developer presence, more AMAs, more live streams, more unadulterated proof that the Battle Pirates team is exactly as invested in the continued success and longevity of this game as you are.

    The fact that we’re in this position is no one’s fault but our own. The time of complacency is over. You’ve shown us that you’re here for the long haul, and it’s time for us to show you that we’re here for it too.

    Long live Battle Pirates!

    Will Harbin

    CEO


    Right...sure...don't believe a dang thing you said...All talk and no action...You guys all suck, you're worse than politicians. All you care about is money...screw you. 
    Don't wait for the storm to pass, learn to dance in the rain
  • Carmella Lovett
    Carmella Lovett
    Potential Threat
    Joined May 2012 Posts: 33
    LOL...y'all are really funny...deleted my other reply...Well, since I'm not scared...**** you...you don't listen to the players...All you care about is the money...so there now 
    Don't wait for the storm to pass, learn to dance in the rain
  • Silver Stefaans
    Silver Stefaans
    Minor Nuisance
    Joined Jun 2018 Posts: 281
    Am I the only one that find it funny that the leaddesigner is named WrongThinker?
    haha well spotted mate
  • T00T
    T00T
    Force to be Reckoned With
    Joined Feb 2013 Posts: 1,579
    I think the game implosion is now reaching critical mass... soon there will only be a small black hole left... called the BP HQ App...
  • howard50
    howard50
    Greenhorn
    Joined Jul 2014 Posts: 17
    We need another shipyard or another slot in are shipyard to refit or build another ship that would help the player base a lot!
  • Joe_B222
    Joe_B222
    Incursion Leader
    Joined Feb 2016 Posts: 1,211
    howard50 said:
    We need another shipyard or another slot in are shipyard to refit or build another ship that would help the player base a lot!
    we have that ..  it is the conq yard.

    Conq yard = all aspects of PvP..  
    Shipyard = chores/TLCs/Raids.

  • Amanda_F24
    Amanda_F24
    Minor Nuisance
    Joined Apr 2016 Posts: 142
    THIS IS THE SAME BULLCHIT STORRY AS IT IS EVERY TIME SO DEAR WILL HARBIN , RAMPAGE AND ALL FROM KIXEYE     
     GO F... YOURSELF. 
    STOP  TELLING US YOUR FAKE NEWS 
  • Axel L
    Axel L
    WC Mod
    Joined Mar 2013 Posts: 11,106
    Thanks a lot for the communication Will Harbin and I'm truly thankful for this post. Here are some of my thoughts about the post and it was definitely worth reading. Please note that I'm not an active Battle Pirates player and my main kixeye game is instead War Commander.

    Firstly, this post can be seen as an indication that kixeye has messed up and that they want to repair the damage caused. It can't be a coincidence that the unicorn himself leaves the unicorn office and writes this post. His approach to repair the damage appears to be sorting out some of the bad apples from the game team and to value the player opinions higher than previously seen.

    Secondly, it's interesting to see that WrongThinker will become design lead for Battle Pirates and his skills shouldn't be underestimated. He used to previously be a design lead for TOME and War Commander and he has also been a great advocate for communication between the game team and players. At this time, he has posted a total of 20 different WrongThinker Thinks posts which is inside communication posts about the future and he has also been a major contributor to communication on the WC and TOME forums. He has also been a major contributor to general developer to community interactions on the forums.

    Thirdly, I'm also excited to see promised communication between the BP Game Team and the players as this has been a truly successful aspect with WC. My current theory stands that the communication efforts on the WC forums was either some form of pilot project or something accidental which ended up being successful.

    For those who haven't been active on the War Commander forums, the communication between the WC Game Team and the players consists out of the following aspects.
    Focus Group meetings
    • WC Game Team members asks discusses the game and future plans related to once specific subject to a community group of players.
    • The members on the Focus Group invited to the Focus Group meetings do usually change and the information published on the meetings aren't covered by a NDA.
    • At this time, 3 meetings has been made and the topic has been monthly events, PvP and Shadow Ops for the respective meetings.
    • The meetings are more or less done to get 
    Burny's Briefing Room podcast
    • A podcast were the WC Community Manger interviews a kixeye employee and asks some frequently asked questions. At this state, 5 episodes of the podcast has been published.
    Developer communication on the public forums
    • Developers are active on the forum and discord server and answers community questions about the game. (Link to WC Discord: https://discord.gg/QNdcnxK)
    • This do also consist about state of official state of the game posts and other forms of pinned communication posts.
    Community events
    • Community contests and events other community events. One of the most recent instances was a PvP event with kixeye employees as a high value target.

    In conclusion, I'm truly excited about this post even if I cannot consider myself as a Battle Pirates player and don't forgot to not underestimate the power of WrongThinker. It could just be the case that he thinks right to the player standards. :smile:

    Regards Axel L
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  • Yamato
    Yamato
    Potential Threat
    Joined Apr 2012 Posts: 32
    How long have players been saying this and it has fallen on DEAF ears.  :(   Nothing new here.......you are going to have to wait a long time to get a slap on the back for any changes that go on in the game.  Credibility comes with consistency of action....not with words.  Words are only a start.....so now that you have started we will wait to see if your actions will be consistent.  Be ready for players who will not trust that you are going to follow through.  You have made this reputation - hope the game is around to actually see something come of this.  A lot of people have left because of the crap this game has done.  I have weathered lots of stupid storms in the game.  Didn't fall for most of the crap....cut back and cut back till basic playing now only.  There won't be a lot of time for this "change" to take effect.  If you mess this up I will cut the last thread and walk away.  I am long time player and on last thread.
    Well said. :)
  • Brent Myers
    Brent Myers
    Minor Nuisance
    Joined Nov 2011 Posts: 178
    All i can say is we will see. We all have heard things like this before. My opinion is because of months of failed raids, they have finally taken a hit in the pocket. I'm not crossing my fingers thou.  
  • -ChickenHawk-
    -ChickenHawk-
    Skilled Warrior
    Joined Feb 2013 Posts: 325
    edited 18 Jul 2018, 12:59AM
    Working in similar industry it seems that Will has given this new team a task to try to save the game with probably some specific time lines. So my question is what are those time lines and what if they fail. Basically trying to figure out when they plan to turn the lights off
  • BattlePirate_BlackShark
    BattlePirate_BlackShark
    Master Tactician
    Joined Sep 2011 Posts: 2,256
    Axel L said:
    Thanks a lot for the communication Will Harbin and I'm truly thankful for this post. Here are some of my thoughts about the post and it was definitely worth reading. Please note that I'm not an active Battle Pirates player and my main kixeye game is instead War Commander.

    Firstly, this post can be seen as an indication that kixeye has messed up and that they want to repair the damage caused. It can't be a coincidence that the unicorn himself leaves the unicorn office and writes this post. His approach to repair the damage appears to be sorting out some of the bad apples from the game team and to value the player opinions higher than previously seen.

    Secondly, it's interesting to see that WrongThinker will become design lead for Battle Pirates and his skills shouldn't be underestimated. He used to previously be a design lead for TOME and War Commander and he has also been a great advocate for communication between the game team and players. At this time, he has posted a total of 20 different WrongThinker Thinks posts which is inside communication posts about the future and he has also been a major contributor to communication on the WC and TOME forums. He has also been a major contributor to general developer to community interactions on the forums.

    Thirdly, I'm also excited to see promised communication between the BP Game Team and the players as this has been a truly successful aspect with WC. My current theory stands that the communication efforts on the WC forums was either some form of pilot project or something accidental which ended up being successful.

    For those who haven't been active on the War Commander forums, the communication between the WC Game Team and the players consists out of the following aspects.
    Focus Group meetings
    • WC Game Team members asks discusses the game and future plans related to once specific subject to a community group of players.
    • The members on the Focus Group invited to the Focus Group meetings do usually change and the information published on the meetings aren't covered by a NDA.
    • At this time, 3 meetings has been made and the topic has been monthly events, PvP and Shadow Ops for the respective meetings.
    • The meetings are more or less done to get 
    Burny's Briefing Room podcast
    • A podcast were the WC Community Manger interviews a kixeye employee and asks some frequently asked questions. At this state, 5 episodes of the podcast has been published.
    Developer communication on the public forums
    • Developers are active on the forum and discord server and answers community questions about the game. (Link to WC Discord: https://discord.gg/QNdcnxK)
    • This do also consist about state of official state of the game posts and other forms of pinned communication posts.
    Community events
    • Community contests and events other community events. One of the most recent instances was a PvP event with kixeye employees as a high value target.

    In conclusion, I'm truly excited about this post even if I cannot consider myself as a Battle Pirates player and don't forgot to not underestimate the power of WrongThinker. It could just be the case that he thinks right to the player standards. :smile:

    Regards Axel L
    Its to early to praise Will Harbin or WrongThinker.
    The damage is done with the desicions from the last months and Battle Pirate is a very complex game, so i dont expect wonders from a new
    Dev lead.

    We had excessive numbers of updates in the last months, so it is obvious, that there are a lot of problems with the programming.
    Then we have the problems with the balancing...in the PvP part and in the current raidtargets/maptargets and TLC´s.
    There is a lot of work to do, so it will not be a matter of few weeks. I am expecting the first significant improvements in the january raidformat.

    The next months will be a mess, if we like it or not.
    BlackShark        Born in Sector 429

    Decoding Pirateslangword "F.A.R.M." = Foolish Amateur Reaches Midgame
  • A.h..Klein
    A.h..Klein
    Greenhorn
    Joined Dec 2014 Posts: 17
    About a year ago i was sick and tired of BP and i started playing World of Warships which is in my opinion much more rewarding and fair in their system of winning equipments and ships.
    For example if you play a battle you earn credits and VXP this is used to repair youre ship "INSTANT"after it is sunk or damaged,,,advantage=constant be able to play! 
    This can be achieved for free but you need to be patient and get youre ships slower, you can also spend hidious amounts of money in this game aswell ,,if you like but also there is the possibility to spend some more moderate,, small amounts,,,,if you like.
    If you choose not to play for a while you are "NOT!!"falling behind it simpel stays where you stopped and you continue again.

    Now Battle Pirates,,

    Kixeye dictates which shipstype to use on certain targets,any form of freedom and creativity(which is fun) is taken out and getting the right hull for the right target cost a fortune.
    Kixeye forgot 1 very important thing,,they lost all their small spending players(which are the majority) and had their focus on a small group of high spending players,,,,,,,in my opinion this is a class example of financial missmanagement for a bysnis.
    Kixeye also squized those high spending players with changes of hulls,,targets,,,,,,chores etc to the breaking point of those players which now also quit playing.

    To Kixeye:
    this game is To expensive,,to time consuming,,,glitching and lagging for 7 years,,,,customer(very)unfriendly and most important"NO FUN ANYMORE"

    Conclusion:
    Mr CEO's blablabla story is "NOT BELIEVED!!!" and i think the game is in its last dieing stage I keep logging in just to see when the plug will be pulled 
  • TheGreatMadaraUchiha
    TheGreatMadaraUchiha
    Potential Threat
    Joined Nov 2013 Posts: 99
    How long have players been saying this and it has fallen on DEAF ears.  :(   Nothing new here.......you are going to have to wait a long time to get a slap on the back for any changes that go on in the game.  Credibility comes with consistency of action....not with words.  Words are only a start.....so now that you have started we will wait to see if your actions will be consistent.  Be ready for players who will not trust that you are going to follow through.  You have made this reputation - hope the game is around to actually see something come of this.  A lot of people have left because of the crap this game has done.  I have weathered lots of stupid storms in the game.  Didn't fall for most of the crap....cut back and cut back till basic playing now only.  There won't be a lot of time for this "change" to take effect.  If you mess this up I will cut the last thread and walk away.  I am long time player and on last thread.
    love the dinosaurs baby. NOT THE MAMA!
  • TRUCULENT2
    TRUCULENT2
    Unicorn Overlord
    Joined Mar 2014 Posts: 2,697
    You've acknowledged a problem but players need to know how you're going to fix it.  

    I think it is imperative that these words must be backed by immediate action. There is too much doubt that action will happen and too many ideas from the players suggesting where in the game corrections should be made. We don't just need a path forward, you cannot expect players to take your word that down the line the game will be "fixed." 

    This isn't the first time Kix has had to issue such a letter to its players - and I dont think too many people have the faith or patience to wait out changes they may not see until next month or next quarter.... Right now the players are throwing out all sorts of assertions trying to draw the line at what changes are needed - from freezing content completely to the removal of certain resources to returning DUBs - and as those comments gain momentum, no matter what actions are taken, anything from Kixeye won't be enough.

    2 Months ago it was just a finger, then it was two. Last month it was the fist, and last week to the elbow....
  • Leo Hilton
    Leo Hilton
    Potential Threat
    Joined Feb 2012 Posts: 88
    Too Little Too Late,   if you mean what you say bring back the DUB bases for a few months so people can get some easier Uranium, sick of prepping for them. 
  • chopsy
    chopsy
    Minor Nuisance
    Joined May 2011 Posts: 134
    We repeatedly get flowery statements like this in "state of the game" addresses with no followup.  I truly hope you are sincere this time and not just blowing more smoke up our... chimneys.  I do believe you are proud of this game and I do believe that once upon a time I loved playing it.  If you can bring balance, logic and fun back the love will surely follow.  
    where did the fun go?  would you mind bringing it back?  
  • carol.santti
    carol.santti
    Minor Nuisance
    Joined Apr 2013 Posts: 258
    kixeye a gaming company for game players by game players?   your moto right?    why don't you play the game? and without free coin from kixeye   go get the res. needed to play the game do the refits/build the ships  ( oh wate! you all ready know what works and what doesn't )   to change out the armor on inferno dragons is a week to do so per ship the FM has been nothing but a joke since the dragons came out. a month to refit and another month to build the flag if someone got the flag NOT COOL! 
    players first?  BULL  why the reduced point payout from last raid to the one that just finished    last raid I got just over a mil points for a level 60 set   this past raid the points were just under the mill    and this is with the hit down do to base level   players should not be penilised for not having top fleets or content 
    the point is that you refuse to lesson to the players
    I have seen at least a 70% drop in players from this game     all because of greed from kixeye   this is the 2nd time I read that kixeye is going to put the player first    well the first time it failed and that wasn't long ago maybe a month or 2
  • gsharp49er
    gsharp49er
    Potential Threat
    Joined Dec 2011 Posts: 32
    I've been playing since blaclwater days, and have stuck it out through all the BS that's been fed down our throats. I'm at not coining anymore due to all the hull specific crap, limited tech, and chores. Now Kix you're telling us the builds we need to do upcoming FM just to make us refit once again. The assault raids have been a joke with damage tuned way up. Now all of a sudden CEO Will Harbin comes out of hiding with a letter to all of us players saying how things will change. I call BS Will. Maybe Kixeye would do better if you resigned as CEO. 
  • verdie.cramer
    verdie.cramer
    Potential Threat
    Joined Oct 2014 Posts: 48
    sad to say , but the CEO is to late  to save his beloved Battle Pirates . He's done let the team run the game without a leash for over a year, more or less. There's no turning back folks , it's to far gone and odds are, neither Kixeye nor the CEO will ever see any of these comments, they simply don't care
  • Ray_P
    Ray_P
    Unicorn Overlord
    Joined Aug 2012 Posts: 2,526
    In order for the letter to have credit-ability it has to be more than more of this which is window dressing,  in the Business the operative phrase is "Perfuming the Pig"

    There has to be specific action to the game starting with reductions in build times, chores,damage ect.   Will Harbin,  if you want players to continue to distrust everything and anything that is said then continue to do things like change crap when you said you wouldn't,  change the damage 3 times in the first hours of the game, and putting in weapons that cause damage that you can't defend against as a few examples.  Right now I don't believe much of it, BECAUSE you have given us ample reason to not believe a word.  And seriously Will you need a new community manager,  this guy is a joke.
    Ray_P   


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