Changes to the FM in July, August and September

  • Spider Retired
    Spider Retired
    Skilled Warrior
    Joined Aug 2013 Posts: 319
    We now get a 7 day transformation time pr. ship taking of the charged armor and adding new to our Dragons. Thats 28 days for the 4 we may have some has 5 but may just go for new Lead GID.

    Then we have the GID we should try to make ready for the annonced changes! And it make me wonder how is Kix view on where we should get the available shipyard time to change it all?

    It seems like the timespann between Kix view on things and reality for the players are so fare apart, that it has no sane way to start it all.
    Yes i get that Kixeye try to force players to coin by doing this, But thats just insane.

    We need some serius numbers of extra tokens for the change over added to FM just to get the old fleet tuned to new targets. Not to talk about the new GID we need finished for vxp weekend if we should try to get it ranked before we use it.

    Regards.
    Spider OUT ! LvL 130
  • bort
    bort
    Unicorn Overlord
    Joined Oct 2011 Posts: 8,257
    edited 13 Jul 2018, 11:05PM
    We now get a 7 day transformation time pr. ship taking of the charged armor and adding new to our Dragons. Thats 28 days for the 4 we may have some has 5 but may just go for new Lead GID.

    Then we have the GID we should try to make ready for the annonced changes! And it make me wonder how is Kix view on where we should get the available shipyard time to change it all?

    It seems like the timespann between Kix view on things and reality for the players are so fare apart, that it has no sane way to start it all.
    Yes i get that Kixeye try to force players to coin by doing this, But thats just insane.

    We need some serius numbers of extra tokens for the change over added to FM just to get the old fleet tuned to new targets. Not to talk about the new GID we need finished for vxp weekend if we should try to get it ranked before we use it.

    Regards.
    err there's 15 id tokens in the raid. that means one week including the FM tokens and you've refit .... one week is hardly a stretch for a total of zero coins. dont be so greedy. learn some patience.
  • Fubar_17
    Fubar_17
    Potential Threat
    Joined Nov 2015 Posts: 73
    WTF. Feeling screwed over and, much as I love the game and participants, it's getting to be enough is frikkin enough. It's an ill thought out change. 
  • Mila Conor
    Mila Conor
    Minor Nuisance
    Joined May 2015 Posts: 207
    "We will also be adding in a new target in August. It will be another target for the Inferno Dragon. Not as difficult as the 120 or 121."

    1. will this "Not as difficult" target have the "anti charged armor thingy" ?
    2. how much points will this "Not as difficult" target worth ?
    3. can we expect same ammount of dmg taken from a 112 by a charged no flag dragon fleet ?


  • scottlohr
    scottlohr
    Potential Threat
    Joined Nov 2014 Posts: 55

    Removing the 112s already????? Go ahead and remove the 117s. From what I've seen, peeps prefer multiple 112s over a single 117.

    The 112s are being removed in September,  the 117s in August.  We wanted to give plenty of time to update/build your Inferno Dragon Fleets + Greta's Inferno Dragon.
    the  112  and  117 are   already new and you are already   taking them away    all  kix  is trying to do is  force us   to   use  coins   more and more   every  freaking  day,  enought is  enought already,  give us  freaking time to  be ablet odue  curent targets  much better,   i am ure  kix  know  hardly anyone dose the 117  due to  damge  isnot worth the points  given,  so miot reather  do the 112  or  even the  older 111  that  many can do  fre
      rally guys this  FM   we do every week  execpt   raid  week,  we  should  not  be takeing massave   damage in FM,  for a socalled free  game  it  sure seems to be  costing  more  and more   to just play,  if you wish to get  anyplace  what so  ever  
  • Son_Of_A_Biscuit
    Son_Of_A_Biscuit
    Minor Nuisance
    Joined Oct 2015 Posts: 107
    edited 14 Jul 2018, 11:05AM
    Will the new targets have charge armor depletion like the raid top targets?
    These targets do have the Draconian Anti-Charged Armor Tech,  you will want Zynthonite Armor D5-XM for the best protection. I have the article above to reflect this.
    Ignore.

  • bort
    bort
    Unicorn Overlord
    Joined Oct 2011 Posts: 8,257

    @bort said:
    Spider Resigned said:

    We now get a 7 day transformation time pr. ship taking of the charged armor and adding new to our Dragons. Thats 28 days for the 4 we may have some has 5 but may just go for new Lead GID.

    Then we have the GID we should try to make ready for the annonced changes! And it make me wonder how is Kix view on where we should get the available shipyard time to change it all?

    It seems like the timespann between Kix view on things and reality for the players are so fare apart, that it has no sane way to start it all.
    Yes i get that Kixeye try to force players to coin by doing this, But thats just insane.

    We need some serius numbers of extra tokens for the change over added to FM just to get the old fleet tuned to new targets. Not to talk about the new GID we need finished for vxp weekend if we should try to get it ranked before we use it.

    Regards.

    err there's 15 id tokens in the raid. that means one week including the FM tokens and you've refit .... one week is hardly a stretch for a total of zero coins. dont be so greedy. learn some patience.

    Do you ever get bored saying the same thing every month?

    not quite the same thing.

    this time its a ridiculously huge 15 tokens in the raid making it an absolute cakewalk to keep up. the game is being made softer and softer.

    it does confuse me when people do ask where to find the shipyard time. a week. lol. not overly difficult to find.
  • john.dean.1291421
    john.dean.1291421
    Strike-force Captain
    Joined Feb 2013 Posts: 619
    I have the armour suggested but...its a blank icon in my bp lab and refuses to be added to the build in the shipyard lol

  • Mad_Scientist
    Mad_Scientist
    Unicorn Overlord
    Joined Dec 2012 Posts: 7,716

    @bort said:
    Mad_Scientist said:

    @bort said:

    Spider Resigned said:

    We now get a 7 day transformation time pr. ship taking of the charged armor and adding new to our Dragons. Thats 28 days for the 4 we may have some has 5 but may just go for new Lead GID.
    
    Then we have the GID we should try to make ready for the annonced changes! And it make me wonder how is Kix view on where we should get the available shipyard time to change it all?
    
    It seems like the timespann between Kix view on things and reality for the players are so fare apart, that it has no sane way to start it all.
    

    Yes i get that Kixeye try to force players to coin by doing this, But thats just insane.

    We need some serius numbers of extra tokens for the change over added to FM just to get the old fleet tuned to new targets. Not to talk about the new GID we need finished for vxp weekend if we should try to get it ranked before we use it.
    
    Regards.
    

    err there's 15 id tokens in the raid. that means one week including the FM tokens and you've refit .... one week is hardly a stretch for a total of zero coins. dont be so greedy. learn some patience.

    Do you ever get bored saying the same thing every month?

    not quite the same thing.

    this time its a ridiculously huge 15 tokens in the raid making it an absolute cakewalk to keep up. the game is being made softer and softer.

    it does confuse me when people do ask where to find the shipyard time. a week. lol. not overly difficult to find.

    15 tokens is nice. To be honest I never had a problem keeping up, it just got to be too much of a time commitment to do all the activities. Not sure if the time commitment is less than a year ago.

    Have you done an alt lately? Can one catch up?

    Meep!
  • BlackAdder314
    BlackAdder314
    Potential Threat
    Joined Jan 2015 Posts: 78
    The 112s are being removed in September,  the 117s in August.  We wanted to give plenty of time to update/build your Inferno Dragon Fleets + Greta's Inferno Dragon.
    That would be a reasonable thing to say --IF-- most of the mid- and upper-level players would be able to get the ID Flag in the Raid so we could use that time to build it. 

    But at 40,000,000 points in a raid with very difficult targets, that prize is obviously intended as a reward for the big spenders.

    That the ID Flag will be available is a hoax, yet when the new targets come on-line, you'll be busy chastising players for not building the flag, you'll go into "told you so" mode and punish the victims. 

    You change the targets based on the assumption that most players 

  • April_S1
    April_S1
    Potential Threat
    Joined Sep 2014 Posts: 62
    The direction that Kix is moving is as mentioned a few times in this thread is not and I doubt ever really was "putting players first"

    I would even challenge that no one at Kix actually plays this game.

    The FM as is, for me is a solid 4/10, I remember playing back when there were the 65's breaking them apart the 27's which you could auto with your mercury's. I'd play for a few hours chatting away as I was doing the FM, even though it was a chore.

    Now, I hit 3 targets, all auto (as Kix has made sure that you are going to take damage - so IMO no point driving if you are only going to save 30mins or so) return to base after abut 15mins of play, repair slow time and then in 8hrs or so do it again.

    The raid is no real different, hit targets that you are going to take damage in (I have no problem with that at all) but when you have the "best" hull and can't auto a 41 for insta repair, or the damage taken from an 87 target is only a few minutes shy of a 106...they have their balance WAY WRONG!!!

    But as mentioned in an earlier post, apathy, I just don't care as much as I use to - will I still play, most likely, but coin, not any more.

    The numbers should be a good indicator to Kix, the Players Online figure in the 31k mark, yes I know that that doesn't count for those using other platforms, and is across all Kix games....but I do remember when that number was in the 100k+ mark and you can't tell me that those extra 70k players have moved to a different playing platform to play Kix games???

    April_S1 said:I can remember when  over a mil used to play in raids.

  • Coventry
    Coventry
    Skilled Warrior
    Joined Apr 2012 Posts: 352
    So 100,000,000 points for Greta Dragon and 15 Dragon tokens. Seems reasonable for some. My problem is it is the Forsaken Weekly Mission...not a full fledged monthly raid. This was originally set up to help people stay current, now it's another grind even if you have the good tech. If you're still using Icebreakers or Monos, imagine where the points are going if they start putting supertargets out there, it isn't to help the whales spend less time, it is to increase prize costs.
    Nope.
  • dragoon25
    dragoon25
    Potential Threat
    Joined Jun 2013 Posts: 51
    Are FM 120 and 121 tune with the proto garrison hull in mind? If not will they be re-tuned when it releases or will you can out with new targets for the proto hull?
  • KFrank_fbrd
    KFrank_fbrd
    Minor Nuisance
    Joined Jan 2013 Posts: 121
    Ni-Gel said:
    I think the armor build times should be drastically reduced since we all have to refit with the non-charged armors now. Bit unfair to us players but I think Kixeye should step in and help us for once.
    I 100% agree with this. But do it more than once like once every 3 months Kixeye should step in and help us
  • KFrank_fbrd
    KFrank_fbrd
    Minor Nuisance
    Joined Jan 2013 Posts: 121
    Ray_P said:
    It's a zero sum game Rampart,  like Eye for an Eye said who really cares anymore,   I can barley check in anymore.

    You guys are clueless,  the players tell you to put stability back into the game,  your self serving agenda feels like you can square that by making comments that you are going  to spread the change over the next couple of months.   You guys have the biggest mental block in the world towards the voice of your customer.
    This is SO true ( You guys have the biggest mental block in the world towards the voice of your customer.)  Kixeye why can't you hear us?
  • jeanmichel.duchene.1
    jeanmichel.duchene.1
    Greenhorn
    Joined Feb 2013 Posts: 3
    edited 14 Jul 2018, 10:13PM
    No please, no more changes to FM, it's too early.
    And refits are not welcome at all.
    You don't seem to realize most players don't have the tech to defeat 117s or even 112s.
    Introducing the new (long awaited) flag that's supposed to help in the FM sould not be the pretext to change the targets and increase the difficulty once again and so quickly.
  • Milo-Ant
    Milo-Ant
    Incursion Leader
    Joined Oct 2017 Posts: 1,172
    Dont remove 117s already, got people in alliance who are just barely able to do them
    sorry for your alliance

    I saw a player in 1 alliance coining FM

    blame folks like that ( He is no longer in that alliance )
  • bort
    bort
    Unicorn Overlord
    Joined Oct 2011 Posts: 8,257
    edited 14 Jul 2018, 11:10PM

    @bort said:
    Mad_Scientist said:

    @bort said:

    Spider Resigned said:

    We now get a 7 day transformation time pr. ship taking of the charged armor and adding new to our Dragons. Thats 28 days for the 4 we may have some has 5 but may just go for new Lead GID.
    
    Then we have the GID we should try to make ready for the annonced changes! And it make me wonder how is Kix view on where we should get the available shipyard time to change it all?
    
    It seems like the timespann between Kix view on things and reality for the players are so fare apart, that it has no sane way to start it all.
    

    Yes i get that Kixeye try to force players to coin by doing this, But thats just insane.

    We need some serius numbers of extra tokens for the change over added to FM just to get the old fleet tuned to new targets. Not to talk about the new GID we need finished for vxp weekend if we should try to get it ranked before we use it.
    
    Regards.
    

    err there's 15 id tokens in the raid. that means one week including the FM tokens and you've refit .... one week is hardly a stretch for a total of zero coins. dont be so greedy. learn some patience.

    Do you ever get bored saying the same thing every month?

    not quite the same thing.

    this time its a ridiculously huge 15 tokens in the raid making it an absolute cakewalk to keep up. the game is being made softer and softer.

    it does confuse me when people do ask where to find the shipyard time. a week. lol. not overly difficult to find.

    15 tokens is nice. To be honest I never had a problem keeping up, it just got to be too much of a time commitment to do all the activities. Not sure if the time commitment is less than a year ago.

    Have you done an alt lately? Can one catch up?

    nah no alt in the last 6 months. that is more of a time commitment that i'm too lazy for.

    the only activity i'm too lazy to do much for my main is bounty. i just score my 25k points in that from doing kinda the minimum.

    all the other stuff can often be autod so not really much of a seat time commitment

    i'd say my raid seat time commitment has gone down significantly too. Obviously massively from the early days when you had to be glued to your chair for several days). But even from a year ago. like this raid for example, i'd knocked out my 40 million for the new hull in a couple hours - and that was only because i was impatient. Could have done it with a lot less seat time if i'd just used my mantis only and waited for them to repair.

    in terms of keeping up, yes its vastly easier than a year ago for a free player. apart from those id tokens, theres another 10 or so manti, and another 10 or so manti flag, plus a bunch of others in this raid alone. let alone they run more tlcs these days (and many are autoable).
  • bort
    bort
    Unicorn Overlord
    Joined Oct 2011 Posts: 8,257
    Bo_P said:
    bort said:

    @bort said:
    Spider Resigned said:

    We now get a 7 day transformation time pr. ship taking of the charged armor and adding new to our Dragons. Thats 28 days for the 4 we may have some has 5 but may just go for new Lead GID.

    Then we have the GID we should try to make ready for the annonced changes! And it make me wonder how is Kix view on where we should get the available shipyard time to change it all?

    It seems like the timespann between Kix view on things and reality for the players are so fare apart, that it has no sane way to start it all.
    Yes i get that Kixeye try to force players to coin by doing this, But thats just insane.

    We need some serius numbers of extra tokens for the change over added to FM just to get the old fleet tuned to new targets. Not to talk about the new GID we need finished for vxp weekend if we should try to get it ranked before we use it.

    Regards.

    err there's 15 id tokens in the raid. that means one week including the FM tokens and you've refit .... one week is hardly a stretch for a total of zero coins. dont be so greedy. learn some patience.

    Do you ever get bored saying the same thing every month?

    not quite the same thing.

    this time its a ridiculously huge 15 tokens in the raid making it an absolute cakewalk to keep up. the game is being made softer and softer.

    it does confuse me when people do ask where to find the shipyard time. a week. lol. not overly difficult to find.
    softer and softer, you sir just keep getting dumber and dumber, take a break mate, over 7000 posts, man, you need a life
    please accept my apologies if you are offended by the truth.
  • bort
    bort
    Unicorn Overlord
    Joined Oct 2011 Posts: 8,257
    edited 14 Jul 2018, 11:27PM
    Alex11111 said:
    bort said:

    @bort said:
    Spider Resigned said:

    We now get a 7 day transformation time pr. ship taking of the charged armor and adding new to our Dragons. Thats 28 days for the 4 we may have some has 5 but may just go for new Lead GID.

    Then we have the GID we should try to make ready for the annonced changes! And it make me wonder how is Kix view on where we should get the available shipyard time to change it all?

    It seems like the timespann between Kix view on things and reality for the players are so fare apart, that it has no sane way to start it all.
    Yes i get that Kixeye try to force players to coin by doing this, But thats just insane.

    We need some serius numbers of extra tokens for the change over added to FM just to get the old fleet tuned to new targets. Not to talk about the new GID we need finished for vxp weekend if we should try to get it ranked before we use it.

    Regards.

    err there's 15 id tokens in the raid. that means one week including the FM tokens and you've refit .... one week is hardly a stretch for a total of zero coins. dont be so greedy. learn some patience.

    Do you ever get bored saying the same thing every month?

    not quite the same thing.

    this time its a ridiculously huge 15 tokens in the raid making it an absolute cakewalk to keep up. the game is being made softer and softer.

    it does confuse me when people do ask where to find the shipyard time. a week. lol. not overly difficult to find.
    You are quite talkative to support kix. Yes, there are 15d tokens for inferno dragons, but what about so many proto- ships!? We have to build em for new DUB. Did u put this fact out of equation ? And don't say there were tokens too, cos not everybody is able/willing to do those campaigns. Where do i find time in my shipyard for those ships, huh? This is the problem in this game, it consumes too much time to be really competitive, unless u coin of course, but we, free players, don't coin of course, right?
    you dont 'need' to hit dubs

    having said that a number of us free players have an entire proto tide fleet built from tokens alone.

    a chunk of my shipyard time is likely going to be spent on proto cents this month, as there's nothin else left that i need to build. as a free player.

    if someone is not 'willing' to get tokens, then yes they should be behind. you need to put in the effort. you need to use the stepping stones provided.

    the time commitment for the game is vastly less than it was. and significantly less than a year ago. particularly for the semi decent free strategy game player.

    the game was once at least a little challenging - now it has been dumbed back substantially.
  • Milo-Ant
    Milo-Ant
    Incursion Leader
    Joined Oct 2017 Posts: 1,172
    Sir_Viper said:
    I actually thought the move to take the Garrison targets out of the raids was a good idea, a way for Kixeye to lighten our work load, just shows how wrong you can be.


    Only difference with me is.....I saw through it from the off
  • verdie.cramer
    verdie.cramer
    Potential Threat
    Joined Oct 2014 Posts: 48
    edited 15 Jul 2018, 1:00AM
    freezing screen , grrrrrrr
  • HonorStorm2
    HonorStorm2
    Potential Threat
    Joined Jul 2018 Posts: 76
    Is special Countermeasure loaders IV parameter Anti-Missile Accuracy +35% influence on Sprint CM accuracy against misiles? And CM tagging works for all fleet, or only for ship with fired CM?
  • HonorStorm2
    HonorStorm2
    Potential Threat
    Joined Jul 2018 Posts: 76
    And maybe more usefull to use Reactive Armor III, on rank 15 will be Penetrating Defense +81.5%. If CM can stop all morts and rockets
  • Eric_H898
    Eric_H898
    Greenhorn
    Joined Jan 2015 Posts: 6
    Write a replyYour showing theis new armoron the builds where you supposed to get it?

Sign In or Register to comment.