Fix the Cheater Ship

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Florian Viets
Florian Viets
Greenhorn
Joined Dec 2017 Posts: 15
Hey, can we please Fix or Remove the Cheater Ship aka Tyrant?

+ Massive Hull
+ Massive Shields
+ PvP Ship
+ Good Weapons
+ Anti Fighter Weapons
+ 360° Fire
+ Extreme Range
+ Extreme Speed

so far i tried everything i got but nothing not even punishers or anything can hurt them because with there Extreme range and speed they can outrun anything.

Kixeye fix pls
  • Mr Vodka
    Mr Vodka
    Greenhorn
    Joined May 2015 Posts: 5
    "Not even Punishers" is hardly "Everything". Those ships are sorely outdated, try again with real gear or stick to your level range please? Otherwise, there's always Hello Kitty to try out, doesn't even have "Conflict" in it's name. <3
  • Daniel Rose
    Daniel Rose
    Skilled Warrior
    Joined Jul 2016 Posts: 586
    Sadly Kixeye decided to capitalize on their oversight with the Tyrant and Scourge Fuel, and the game's balancing has suffered because of this. Just avoid PvP at that level and you'll be fine,
  • Hella Wicked
    Hella Wicked
    Minor Nuisance
    Joined Aug 2016 Posts: 108

    @Florian Viets said:
    Hey, can we please Fix or Remove the Cheater Ship aka Tyrant?

    • Massive Hull

    • Massive Shields

    • PvP Ship

    • Good Weapons

    • Anti Fighter Weapons

    • 360° Fire

    • Extreme Range

    • Extreme Speed

    so far i tried everything i got but nothing not even punishers or anything can hurt them because with there Extreme range and speed they can outrun anything.

    Kixeye fix pls

    Best bet for you is to try impulse destroyers or a dragoon and void eclipse

  • ORIGINAL GOOGEN
    ORIGINAL GOOGEN
    Potential Threat
    Joined Oct 2013 Posts: 61
    Kix nurfed the Tryrants with a number of recent releases of content. if you havent worked out what they are. have a look around the cw event. Ive melted 3 tryrants in 3 battles. They are easy to kill now.
  • dom.friant
    dom.friant
    Force to be Reckoned With
    Joined Sep 2014 Posts: 1,633
    Kix nurfed the Tryrants with a number of recent releases of content. if you havent worked out what they are. have a look around the cw event. Ive melted 3 tryrants in 3 battles. They are easy to kill now.
    Is it a secret? I haven't built a Tryant and have no interest in doing so. Consequently I haven't paid too closely to their stats, so I really have no idea what got changed. I wasn't able to participate much in this CW, but the one Tryant I did watch took out three fleets of T4/5 ships, which is same as always...
    Because I like the Condor!
    http://i.imgur.com/80deZPv.png
  • Revann
    Revann
    Master Tactician
    Joined Jan 2014 Posts: 2,377

    @shyva prime said:
    Destroyer can solve any tyrant issue , just call the 399-666-liberator for some quick and easy eradication of any troublesome tyrant.

    ( just use a liberator with metaphase 3 or exphase 3 for shield volum , put harmonic trusters lvl3 , xeno eclipse or eclipse driver with something to give them high speed , and add a cutter to the mix to push your destroyer )

    Hey, that’s where I knew the name from... Didnt I just waste a fleet of your pegs,blackguard AND zone of your new prophets? Man, how I wish you left that out during the civil war

    -Git Gud 
  • Revann
    Revann
    Master Tactician
    Joined Jan 2014 Posts: 2,377

    And the tyrant is far from a cheater ship. You’ll never be able to catch it with a cruiser because it has cruiser speeds. You either need something faster or something with good range.I find my sovereign to be involved in a lot of tyrant fights now

    -Git Gud 
  • dom.friant
    dom.friant
    Force to be Reckoned With
    Joined Sep 2014 Posts: 1,633
    edited 3 Jul 2018, 3:12PM
    Revann said:

    And the tyrant is far from a cheater ship. You’ll never be able to catch it with a cruiser because it has cruiser speeds. You either need something faster or something with good range.I find my sovereign to be involved in a lot of tyrant fights now

    True, though technically one could catch it with a rear 5 cruiser, while probably taking massive damage. When Tyrants first started to hit the scene en mass I almost killed one with a well-timed rush of an iWave Covenant cruiser... with rear 5 it was a bit faster than the Tyrant, and I attacked while the Tyrant was busy slaughtering my poor Hellfires (which of course had no chance). Only reason the Tyrant didn't die is the Covenant just didn't have enough health to last more than a couple hits from the void weapons. But I was satisfied that I'd caught it (iWave's range helped) and a few shots of iWave+Reinforced Rails + a Valkyrie's phased field almost killed it. That was when I realized T5 fleets were mostly out of the picture for PvP now, which is a shame cause that was one of my favorite T4/5 fleets ever.
    Because I like the Condor!
    http://i.imgur.com/80deZPv.png
  • shyva prime
    shyva prime
    Skilled Warrior
    Joined Nov 2014 Posts: 322
    Revann said:

    @shyva prime said:
    Destroyer can solve any tyrant issue , just call the 399-666-liberator for some quick and easy eradication of any troublesome tyrant.

    ( just use a liberator with metaphase 3 or exphase 3 for shield volum , put harmonic trusters lvl3 , xeno eclipse or eclipse driver with something to give them high speed , and add a cutter to the mix to push your destroyer )

    Hey, that’s where I knew the name from... Didnt I just waste a fleet of your pegs,blackguard AND zone of your new prophets? Man, how I wish you left that out during the civil war

    easy when there is no fleet escorting and the fleet stayed bugged outside , impossible to click recall , already contacted kix support about that x)

  • Willyster
    Willyster
    Skilled Warrior
    Joined Jul 2013 Posts: 588
    KIXEYE even offered it in Coin Deals with Void Redeemer Missile...
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  • Daniel Rose
    Daniel Rose
    Skilled Warrior
    Joined Jul 2016 Posts: 586
    Revann said:

    And the tyrant is far from a cheater ship. You’ll never be able to catch it with a cruiser because it has cruiser speeds. You either need something faster or something with good range.I find my sovereign to be involved in a lot of tyrant fights now

    You're right, it's not a cheater ship. It's just a ship that requires no skill to use :P
    Willyster said:
    KIXEYE even offered it in Coin Deals with Void Redeemer Missile...
    Capitalizing on their mistakes, mark of a despe - I mean, quality orientated company ;)
  • SteelSteve
    SteelSteve
    Force to be Reckoned With
    Joined Sep 2013 Posts: 1,594
    tyrant is a tier 6.5 ship, which means it should only be killed by tier 7 ships - try actually using tech made to kill it. "even punishers can't kill it" just shows that you think cruisers are the only solution to every problem. Tyrant can be killed by almost anything as long as you don't just blindly rush towards it with cruisers .....
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  • Hella Wicked
    Hella Wicked
    Minor Nuisance
    Joined Aug 2016 Posts: 108

    Truth is getting hit by these while farming is a pain in the **** espescially if you dont have a escort

  • Revann
    Revann
    Master Tactician
    Joined Jan 2014 Posts: 2,377

    @shyva prime said:
    Revann said:

    @shyva prime said:

    Destroyer can solve any tyrant issue , just call the 399-666-liberator for some quick and easy eradication of any troublesome tyrant.

    ( just use a liberator with metaphase 3 or exphase 3 for shield volum , put harmonic trusters lvl3 , xeno eclipse or eclipse driver with something to give them high speed , and add a cutter to the mix to push your destroyer )

    Hey, that’s where I knew the name from... Didnt I just waste a fleet of your pegs,blackguard AND zone of your new prophets? Man, how I wish you left that out during the civil war

    easy when there is no fleet escorting and the fleet stayed bugged outside , impossible to click recall , already contacted kix support about that x)

    Well then, I’m glad I could offer you my return to base services. I would hate for your fleet to be trapped in the void for too long

    -Git Gud 
  • Cyrus Leung
    Cyrus Leung
    VC Mod
    Joined Jan 2013 Posts: 3,296
    Revann said:

    @shyva prime said:
    Destroyer can solve any tyrant issue , just call the 399-666-liberator for some quick and easy eradication of any troublesome tyrant.

    ( just use a liberator with metaphase 3 or exphase 3 for shield volum , put harmonic trusters lvl3 , xeno eclipse or eclipse driver with something to give them high speed , and add a cutter to the mix to push your destroyer )

    Hey, that’s where I knew the name from... Didnt I just waste a fleet of your pegs,blackguard AND zone of your new prophets? Man, how I wish you left that out during the civil war

    easy when there is no fleet escorting and the fleet stayed bugged outside , impossible to click recall , already contacted kix support about that x)

    I have had instances where my fleet was "stuck" in the fleet bay menu, reloading the game should fix it.
  • Infinity EIC
    Infinity EIC
    Minor Nuisance
    Joined May 2017 Posts: 128

    Forget that ****, my peg's will whipe all tyrants and other non t7 or destroyers off the map. Does that make them cheater ships? No becausr they are frigats that require skill

  • Willyster
    Willyster
    Skilled Warrior
    Joined Jul 2013 Posts: 588
    tyrant is a tier 6.5 ship, which means it should only be killed by tier 7 ships - try actually using tech made to kill it. "even punishers can't kill it" just shows that you think cruisers are the only solution to every problem. Tyrant can be killed by almost anything as long as you don't just blindly rush towards it with cruisers .....
    Killed a Tyrant with Damocles Destroyers :tongue:
             Admiral of the Elite Altairian Devastator Fleet.
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  • shyva prime
    shyva prime
    Skilled Warrior
    Joined Nov 2014 Posts: 322
    Revann said:

    @shyva prime said:
    Destroyer can solve any tyrant issue , just call the 399-666-liberator for some quick and easy eradication of any troublesome tyrant.

    ( just use a liberator with metaphase 3 or exphase 3 for shield volum , put harmonic trusters lvl3 , xeno eclipse or eclipse driver with something to give them high speed , and add a cutter to the mix to push your destroyer )

    Hey, that’s where I knew the name from... Didnt I just waste a fleet of your pegs,blackguard AND zone of your new prophets? Man, how I wish you left that out during the civil war

    easy when there is no fleet escorting and the fleet stayed bugged outside , impossible to click recall , already contacted kix support about that x)

    I have had instances where my fleet was "stuck" in the fleet bay menu, reloading the game should fix it.
    good to know , but i still lost my fleet because of that , support has yet to answer me ...
  • Coelus
    Coelus
    Incursion Leader
    Joined Jul 2015 Posts: 1,122
    edited 4 Jul 2018, 1:25PM
    Mr Vodka said:
    "Not even Punishers" is hardly "Everything". Those ships are sorely outdated, try again with real gear or stick to your level range please? Otherwise, there's always Hello Kitty to try out, doesn't even have "Conflict" in it's name. <3
    i mean, if you consider a newer players perspective, and how long it takes to get to that point without gaining VIP10 status, xeno is some pretty top end stuff. and stick to level range doesnt work when the hull in question can under mass itself to dip down and hit any level from like 35 up lol 

    but i agree, many more hulls to try yet, see if you can get a bastion built

  • Megathron J11
    Megathron J11
    Greenhorn
    Joined Sep 2013 Posts: 23
    not a cheating ship use your head bro, you can kill it with lib destroyers easy fitted with 2 Xeno Eclipse and you will take a little damage or you can use bastion to kill it by going as close as you can then let the overdrive do the work for you
    No grumble be humble
  • RaniRahn
    RaniRahn
    Force to be Reckoned With
    Joined Sep 2015 Posts: 1,657
    not a cheating ship use your head bro, you can kill it with lib destroyers easy fitted with 2 Xeno Eclipse and you will take a little damage or you can use bastion to kill it by going as close as you can then let the overdrive do the work for you
    After kix shortened the range of the bastion overdrive that does not work anymore.
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  • Daniel Rose
    Daniel Rose
    Skilled Warrior
    Joined Jul 2016 Posts: 586
    not a cheating ship use your head bro, you can kill it with lib destroyers easy fitted with 2 Xeno Eclipse and you will take a little damage or you can use bastion to kill it by going as close as you can then let the overdrive do the work for you
    A ship that can only be damaged by 4% of the ships in the game still sounds kinda cheaty...
  • Willyster
    Willyster
    Skilled Warrior
    Joined Jul 2013 Posts: 588
    RaniRahn said:
    not a cheating ship use your head bro, you can kill it with lib destroyers easy fitted with 2 Xeno Eclipse and you will take a little damage or you can use bastion to kill it by going as close as you can then let the overdrive do the work for you
    After kix shortened the range of the bastion overdrive that does not work anymore.
    This is why you use Blackguards. They outrange Bastion Cruisers (with the Firestorm Overdrive activated) by 960m, which means the Blackguard Cruiser can reach up to a range of 7200m provided it is fitted with Void Epsilon ECHO Cannon. That range is long enough to reach Tyrants.
             Admiral of the Elite Altairian Devastator Fleet.
                        Elite Altairian Devastator (150)
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  • Willyster
    Willyster
    Skilled Warrior
    Joined Jul 2013 Posts: 588
    not a cheating ship use your head bro, you can kill it with lib destroyers easy fitted with 2 Xeno Eclipse and you will take a little damage or you can use bastion to kill it by going as close as you can then let the overdrive do the work for you
    Just one Liberator Destroyer is NOT enough. You need something to speed it up, like blank Vindicator Cutter hulls(Harmonic Agility), etc...
             Admiral of the Elite Altairian Devastator Fleet.
                        Elite Altairian Devastator (150)
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  • RaptureAkaDino
    RaptureAkaDino
    Strike-force Captain
    Joined Sep 2014 Posts: 877
    RaniRahn said:
    not a cheating ship use your head bro, you can kill it with lib destroyers easy fitted with 2 Xeno Eclipse and you will take a little damage or you can use bastion to kill it by going as close as you can then let the overdrive do the work for you
    After kix shortened the range of the bastion overdrive that does not work anymore.
    it works i do it all the time, you either have **** engines or you sit still and expect it to happen best way is to use an agility carrier and when tyrant comes towards you, you rush your bastion at the tyrant without turning away, that way your bastion gets close enough for the shield to fail and overdrive to kill it. also depends on your **** weapons. you can also use exterms with shatter there are many solutions but yeah the tyrant is OP to hell needs a level increase by 10 or its speed n range reducing
  • Megathron J11
    Megathron J11
    Greenhorn
    Joined Sep 2013 Posts: 23
    RaniRahn said:
    not a cheating ship use your head bro, you can kill it with lib destroyers easy fitted with 2 Xeno Eclipse and you will take a little damage or you can use bastion to kill it by going as close as you can then let the overdrive do the work for you
    After kix shortened the range of the bastion overdrive that does not work anymore.
    but for me its still working well specially if you have a agility field carrier with you
    No grumble be humble
  • Megathron J11
    Megathron J11
    Greenhorn
    Joined Sep 2013 Posts: 23
    not a cheating ship use your head bro, you can kill it with lib destroyers easy fitted with 2 Xeno Eclipse and you will take a little damage or you can use bastion to kill it by going as close as you can then let the overdrive do the work for you
    A ship that can only be damaged by 4% of the ships in the game still sounds kinda cheaty...
    its overpowred cause you can use all kind of specials on it but still can be killed
    No grumble be humble
  • Megathron J11
    Megathron J11
    Greenhorn
    Joined Sep 2013 Posts: 23
    Willyster said:
    not a cheating ship use your head bro, you can kill it with lib destroyers easy fitted with 2 Xeno Eclipse and you will take a little damage or you can use bastion to kill it by going as close as you can then let the overdrive do the work for you
    Just one Liberator Destroyer is NOT enough. You need something to speed it up, like blank Vindicator Cutter hulls(Harmonic Agility), etc...
    if who using that tyrant was so stupid to get close to the lib it will be more than enough to kill it but you can always use a thruster fitted vind or decimator to push it faster or a rear thruster can work as well
    No grumble be humble
  • Daniel Rose
    Daniel Rose
    Skilled Warrior
    Joined Jul 2016 Posts: 586
    Willyster said:
    RaniRahn said:
    not a cheating ship use your head bro, you can kill it with lib destroyers easy fitted with 2 Xeno Eclipse and you will take a little damage or you can use bastion to kill it by going as close as you can then let the overdrive do the work for you
    After kix shortened the range of the bastion overdrive that does not work anymore.
    This is why you use Blackguards. They outrange Bastion Cruisers (with the Firestorm Overdrive activated) by 960m, which means the Blackguard Cruiser can reach up to a range of 7200m provided it is fitted with Void Epsilon ECHO Cannon. That range is long enough to reach Tyrants.
    That's actually not true. You are applying the innate range boost of 1000m to cannons before you apply the Void Ionization bonus, when in the game they actually apply the Void Ionization first and then add the 1000m range. It's weird but that is how they do it. My guess is that they just tacked on innate hull bonus additions to the end of the range calculation formula because it was the most recent addition. I've tested this in game, hence how I know.
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