PVP Balance Fixes

  • bob.okker
    bob.okker
    Minor Nuisance
    Joined Feb 2013 Posts: 208
    You must be joking did any of the whiners complain and cry at the CEO of Kixeye again ! I think its wiser to pull the plug give all the coiners a payoff and stop this game cause what you do now is selling me a BMW that goes 170 mph after my wife cried we go to fast you adjust my engine so it goes just 80 mph why would i have bought a BMW then ill sent a ticket for coin return i hope nobody else does this so my ticket gets a fast answer.
  • DeLiRiouS_SJ
    DeLiRiouS_SJ
    Greenhorn
    Joined Feb 2013 Posts: 20
    Kixeye, I admire you all for what you are trying to do but you need to do one thing before you put these changes out. You need to test them. And not just by Kixeye employees in the test environment. You need to invite some of the top hitters and defenders in the game today. Then you need to let them play with these changes using there ships and bases for a few days. Have them try everything and see what this does.  If it pushes the pendulum the opposite way to much, tweek it and let them play some more. Doing this will not solve all the issues of this release but at least it would be better than just throwing it out there and pissing off  75% of the players. 
    Oh they do indeed have a test server ... for a few privileged players from a few privileged alliances except in true Kix fashion, not all the top alliances are fortunate enough to be represented there. So a lot of the top hitters and defenders in the game have no input or preview into what Kix puts out. If ALL the top alliances had the opportunity to be represented on the test server, and everyone in there had the opportunity to discuss the effects of what they test, we might all be in a better position and not be subject to the old "oh now we have to fix our latest stuff up again". 
  • kixeyeuser_1443870080853_102296660127872
    kixeyeuser_1443870080853_102296660127872
    Minor Nuisance
    Joined Dec 2015 Posts: 101
    bob.okker said:
    You must be joking did any of the whiners complain and cry at the CEO of Kixeye again ! I think its wiser to pull the plug give all the coiners a payoff and stop this game cause what you do now is selling me a BMW that goes 170 mph after my wife cried we go to fast you adjust my engine so it goes just 80 mph why would i have bought a BMW then ill sent a ticket for coin return i hope nobody else does this so my ticket gets a fast answer.
    tried that our coin buys time only not products so no refunds :( 
  • crimsonPERMassurance
    crimsonPERMassurance
    Minor Nuisance
    Joined Mar 2013 Posts: 215
    for my 2 cents worth I can see where this could work to create choice on how flts are built but first Kix needs to release T7 turrets in other damage types [ witch they should have done in the first place instead of all Bal and Pen ] so that loading up on only 1or 2 deflection type armor's didn't become an option however at this point I wonder if the peeps making decisions are able to view long term 

  • fozi65
    fozi65
    Potential Threat
    Joined Jul 2013 Posts: 28
    And will the deflections on the hulls will come down as well? Because heavily nerfing defense while doing nothing to the attacker will ensure the turrets do nothing.

    Pirate_L1 said:
    YA WTF  you needed us to point out the difference between additive and multiplicative....  still won't balance 
    they,ve just handed the advantage back to attacking fleets BIG TIME well done kixeye another fine **** up
  • steshot
    steshot
    Skilled Warrior
    Joined Dec 2012 Posts: 564
    Conclusion - again kix has tried to say there is a bug in order to pander to the minority.
    If our bases become undefendable, game is over for all who don't coin base defence or buy bubbles. 
    If a base is always flat, builds will be perma-stalled - therefore, no way to keep up with crazy build schedules, therefore pointless playing  -CRAZY!
  • Capt.Bly
    Capt.Bly
    Force to be Reckoned With
    Joined Sep 2014 Posts: 1,558
    I for one spend a considerable amount in the game, am I a whale, no I'm not a whale by any stretch of the imagination, but I will say this, if this trend continues, when the coins I currently have on my account are gone, I won't bother spending another coin, and chances are I will finally walk away from this fiasco of a game for good.
    players first my ****
  • FreeperTroll
    FreeperTroll
    Potential Threat
    Joined Mar 2014 Posts: 83
    Oh  so Storm/Sloth flts that take 4% damage wont take any?   I suppose this is why two turrets on my portals don't show in an attack? Ya  nice balance.
  • brian.collison.3
    brian.collison.3
    Greenhorn
    Joined Jul 2013 Posts: 8
    there is nothing wrong with the bases !!!!!!  some r just tuff ,,,  let it go if the cry babys cant drive to hit a good base ,,  thats there prob ,,  what you need to look at kix is this the smaller players now cant get un or base parts now for ur fk up update ive had 12 of my friends stop playing the game over it ,, thay didnt spend lot of coins on the game but thay did a little here and ther just saying  if sds7 cry babys cant get in a base it just thay cant drive ....  do somthing about the new update  were pep can still get the base parts thay need and ura is what u need to do 


  • saiint.K
    saiint.K
    Minor Nuisance
    Joined Sep 2013 Posts: 140
    AS USUAL KIXEYE YOU WILL BE 'SWINGING THE PENDULUM' TOO FAR THE OTHER WAY AGAIN. YOU HAVE FAILED TO TEST UPDATES AND NEW TECH BEFORE YOU RELEASE THEM. EITHER YOU ADDRESS THIS PROBLEM VERY CAREFULLY AND COME UP WITH ANOTHER SOLUTION TO YOUR FAILURES OR FACE MORE PROTESTS AND LOSS OF PLAYERS. I MYSELF WILL START TO RECOVER COIN I SPEND FROM MY CARD SUPPLIER EACH TIME YOU FAIL TO ENSURE THINGS WORK PROPERLY.
    INSTEAD OF THIS 'LONG WINDED' WAY OF NERFING THE TURRETS, WHY NOT SIMPLY REDUCE THE DAMAGE CAUSED BY EACH WEAPON SLIGHTLY, SURELY THIS WOULD BE EASIER TO DO ?????
  • paul.peterson.313
    paul.peterson.313
    Potential Threat
    Joined May 2014 Posts: 71
    rebalanceing fix tobe released just before next bounty.....just great timing again ...advantage back to base hitters.....the claim of high end base hitters hitting each other is false.....the bigger pirate always hits the smaller pirate and down the line it goes...this is the way the game is....the fact that only the big guys have all the turrets leaves  everyone else without and are currently open to hits without any adjustments....so is base hitting dead....hell no..its just not as easy.....addive bonus or not...the real problem is these power jumps and rush hot fixs that cause bigger problems....kixeye slowdown and stop over reacting for a few the the majority...
  • jschlueter1
    jschlueter1
    Skilled Warrior
    Joined Mar 2015 Posts: 328
    I have paid to build a base to stop the current conqueror fleets and now I hear you are going to nerf the turrets.. I built this base to balance out what was in the game at the time if your going to nerf the turrets I would like to be reimbursed for what I spent to get this base to where it is. Nowhere is it legal to take something sold and change it after the fact because you guys didnt do your homework. Have you noticed all the abandoned bases? .. can you figure why? nerf my turrets and I will join the abandoned but I will try to get reimbursed for what was done here .. 
    All you bought with your coin was time, which is what you received, and used.  You have no basis for a refund.
  • jschlueter1
    jschlueter1
    Skilled Warrior
    Joined Mar 2015 Posts: 328
    This is all BS you sell us a these turret then Nurf. them.  Just like you did with Fire support i'm sick of paying for a product just for you to nurf it. The bug you claim is all BS you are screwing customer do to you never test what you put out this is . This is just plan theft I'm over this crap and will be one of your dead bases you have out all over 
    The "product" you paid for was time, nothing more.  They didn't sell you a turret and you didn't buy one.
  • April_S1
    April_S1
    Potential Threat
    Joined Sep 2014 Posts: 62
    You have killed this game. Your greed has taken over and I hope all your techs are soon out of a job. You have stolen from us and a prime example of game web scamming.
  • jschlueter1
    jschlueter1
    Skilled Warrior
    Joined Mar 2015 Posts: 328
    krous152 said:
    I have paid to build my base & fleets to try & keep up with current conqueror fleets and now I hear you are going to nerf the turrets.. I built my base to balance out in the game at the time. If your going to nerf the turrets I would like to be reimbursed for what I spent to get this base & fleets at to where it is. No where is it legal to take something sold & change it after the fact. You need people do your software straigth. Have you noticed all the abandoned bases? Nerf my turrets and I will join the abandoned too. But I will try to get reimbursed for what was done here such as the  Better Business Bureau 
    You did NOT buy any tech whatsoever.  All you bought was the TIME to speed up the builds, which you used.  It's gone.  Your turrets will be the same as my turrets, which I earned the same way everyone else did, but spent nothing to build.
  • jschlueter1
    jschlueter1
    Skilled Warrior
    Joined Mar 2015 Posts: 328
    Kixeye, I admire you all for what you are trying to do but you need to do one thing before you put these changes out. You need to test them. And not just by Kixeye employees in the test environment. You need to invite some of the top hitters and defenders in the game today. Then you need to let them play with these changes using there ships and bases for a few days. Have them try everything and see what this does.  If it pushes the pendulum the opposite way to much, tweek it and let them play some more. Doing this will not solve all the issues of this release but at least it would be better than just throwing it out there and pissing off  75% of the players. 
    Oh they do indeed have a test server ... for a few privileged players from a few privileged alliances except in true Kix fashion, not all the top alliances are fortunate enough to be represented there. So a lot of the top hitters and defenders in the game have no input or preview into what Kix puts out. If ALL the top alliances had the opportunity to be represented on the test server, and everyone in there had the opportunity to discuss the effects of what they test, we might all be in a better position and not be subject to the old "oh now we have to fix our latest stuff up again". 
    Define "top alliance".
  • kixeyeuser_1388071458472_100007337681052
    kixeyeuser_1388071458472_100007337681052
    Minor Nuisance
    Joined Apr 2015 Posts: 157
    Swing time.. do see do.. time to be a farm again. Will that be in time for the next bounty?  
    Hi Cindy Jay ! Yes, the whales and skilled players will be open to the public.  :)
  • jschlueter1
    jschlueter1
    Skilled Warrior
    Joined Mar 2015 Posts: 328
    April_S1 said:
    You have killed this game. Your greed has taken over and I hope all your techs are soon out of a job. You have stolen from us and a prime example of game web scamming.
    What exactly did they "steal"?  I will still have all my stuff after the change.
  • jon pirate
    jon pirate
    Skilled Warrior
    Joined Jan 2016 Posts: 486
    This is all BS you sell us a these turret then Nurf. them.  Just like you did with Fire support i'm sick of paying for a product just for you to nurf it. The bug you claim is all BS you are screwing customer do to you never test what you put out this is . This is just plan theft I'm over this crap and will be one of your dead bases you have out all over 
    The "product" you paid for was time, nothing more.  They didn't sell you a turret and you didn't buy one.
    No it is theft fan boy would not have spent gold to get the turret in raid and bounty if they would have been junk like they now will be
  • MidknightSkie
    MidknightSkie
    Skilled Warrior
    Joined Oct 2012 Posts: 512
    Why not balance the pvp instead of swinging it wildly in the other direction, and the only people that this will effect are those that played bounty to get the turrets needed to counter the newest hulls. So now that it seems unfair because people who decided to play bounty and get the new tech are few and the mASSes do not have there is a problem? If they would have participated then they would be fine. What I want to know is when this change goes down when do I get back my money for the repairs and refits for these items now that they will be changed months after the fact?
  • Nemo_Dutchman
    Nemo_Dutchman
    Minor Nuisance
    Joined May 2011 Posts: 198
    edited 7 Jun 2018, 6:04PM
    So, all this time my EX2 and howie 6s were doing 600% damage?  that is BS, total BS!!!

    how about increasing the passthru from 360 to 3600?  or even 5000?  make the ships take reasonable damage.
  • mark.matthews.94
    mark.matthews.94
    Strike-force Captain
    Joined Dec 2014 Posts: 750
    I guess bases aren't supposed to be able to defend against the top ships of the line. This is going to turn back into a "just click and forget" fest as for as base attacks go. Going right back to logging in and finding your base flat as f*** no matter what type of defense you have in there. I was actually starting to enjoy the game again since I wasn't having to repair my crap every single day. 
  • michael.west.750
    michael.west.750
    Force to be Reckoned With
    Joined Mar 2013 Posts: 1,598
    We can't have an unbeatable base out there. Just not acceptable.

    It's ok to have unbeatable fleets though. That's all good.

    We know that the coin flows from base attackers. So if they get upset, they stop attacking and stop coining. Not much coin is spent on base repairs, so who cares if they get their bases smashed up. So we, as a company, must cater to the attackers to keep the coins flowing.
    .
  • Joe_B222
    Joe_B222
    Incursion Leader
    Joined Feb 2016 Posts: 1,211
    So after skimming most of this,  it seems what we said in alliance chat is right..

    The farms who depend on the turrets to make their base " safe "  are going to be biatching till they are blue in the face.      They do not understand that yes, the turrets are bugged and are not healthy for the PvP environment cause GASP, if you have everything you cannot be beat.   end of story. 

    that is not balance.

    You know what this fix will do..  Put us right back to where we were in base defense a few mths ago..  Death by 1000 cuts.    We defended before the OP stacks of turrets, and we will defend after said turrets are fixed. 

    I do not hit a lot of bases, even when I have a steamroller fleet, but even I can see that peeking a base and saying.. OOPPs he has X of these turrets and Y of those with fire support..   gotta go elsewhere, cause no tech in the game can beat that, is not fun. 


    Every single fleet that has came out, the players found a way to kill them in their base.    Sometimes it took a specific set of tech to do it, others it was old tech.    Going all the way back to the start of the game, attackers had the advantage till the defenders figured out how to beat it, and we adapted.    There is no way to beat a fully kitted out with turrets and fire supported base.       Nobody has made it past my first turn in going on 2 mths now.   That is not good.    Anyone griping about it, doesnt understand the game.


    The turrets are too strong now.  This is a fact.  Cannot dispute it.  The only thing you can dispute is, does this fix swing too far in the other direction..

    Short term answer, prob so.   Cause the attacker only has to worry about 2 damage types.  Long run, prob not. 

  • bootlegga
    bootlegga
    Minor Nuisance
    Joined Sep 2012 Posts: 133
    Well, thankfully with your change to the Draconian bases and their new impossibility, I won't have base parts to build turrets that will be useless after June 26. 

    Win-win...
  • Cpt_Izno
    Cpt_Izno
    Potential Threat
    Joined Oct 2014 Posts: 34
    I can see it coming, we will say in 2 years (if this game still exists):
    Get the new Pozitron Cruiser in the raid with 235.987.543.233.000 ballistic deflection to counter the new added Zapper Tower with 150.543.432.788.009 ballistic damage.

    What are you smoking up there? I want some, must be really good.

    Give a 3-4 month notice and get rid of the deflection stats completely, re-balancing the weapons.
    Else the game will be from the attacker to the defender and visa versa with no strategy, no fun and finally no people to play.
  • John1975
    John1975
    Master Tactician
    Joined Sep 2012 Posts: 2,318
    edited 7 Jun 2018, 8:33PM
    Kix you have not heard ANYTHING either that ***insult removed***  NO ONE want a I WIN hull that will flaten anything and everything. NO ONE wants that.  We want out NEW turrets to do 2K damage AFTER all the resistance and deflection.  WE DO NOT want Instant kill turrets nor instant kill ships.

    What you idiots have done now is swing to so all you have to do is show up at base hit and you win. It is not that freaking hard to keep things in the middle. a freaking MONKEY could do that yet here we are after 15 poser swings and GD team is too stupid to figure out haw to do it. Why do these idiots even get paid 6 figures a year?  They better get to church and pray and thank the good lord they found some idiot to pay them 6 figures a year for being a complete idiot.
    BadMoFo RYFG TTMX Level 97
  • gary.hahn.10
    gary.hahn.10
    Potential Threat
    Joined Feb 2013 Posts: 75
    for my 2 cents worth I can see where this could work to create choice on how flts are built but first Kix needs to release T7 turrets in other damage types [ witch they should have done in the first place instead of all Bal and Pen ] so that loading up on only 1or 2 deflection type armor's didn't become an option however at this point I wonder if the peeps making decisions are able to view long term 

    I agree, and the new turrets must be 130 range or better, got a crap load of turrets at 105 range which are friggin useless.

  • john.harding.79827
    john.harding.79827
    Potential Threat
    Joined Sep 2013 Posts: 53
    Simply put this PVP mess was supposed to be looked into and BALANCED ….with the upcoming changes it wont happen, find another solution there have been several good options presented, and get it  BALANCED as promiced.  If the proposed changes go thru it will only result in more players quitting the game. 
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