8.20 Discussion Thread

  • Carlo DeNauw
    Carlo DeNauw
    Unicorn Overlord
    Joined Aug 2012 Posts: 3,984
    So howies nerfed again. Day after raid again.
    You need to learn to math I think. With all the ballistic bonus turrets in and a few maxed, you're not gonna make it past the first turn in any decent base.
    Okay walk me through the math, just how much damage gets through with these new armors? 
    https://www.facebook.com/groups/TFCBP/permalink/598381293861553/


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  • Shadows-13
    Shadows-13
    Strike-force Captain
    Joined Aug 2016 Posts: 866
    davec415 said:
    So howies nerfed again. Day after raid again.

    my howies didn't do squat. I had 3 howies 6's in base and still got flattened. tell me again how to stop msc's with mc 2 plates????
    You need the 4 howies, 2 blunder, fire support, and right specials for maimum damage.  
    Know your enemy and know yourself and you can fight a hundred battles without disaster.
    -Sun Tzu
  • SSC2000
    SSC2000
    Minor Nuisance
    Joined Jun 2012 Posts: 295
    edited 15 May 2018, 5:45PM
    Will the new siege basepart targets be suitable for both hydra and bucc fleets ?
  • iwona.esser.1
    iwona.esser.1
    Force to be Reckoned With
    Joined Feb 2013 Posts: 1,566
    all 6 ballistic turrets useless now

    2 mc2 plates and 3 mc1 plates = 4 million ballistic deflection

    i thought we could only have 3 of 1 armor type, but it allows 3 x mc1 and 2 x mc2

    it should still be 3 plates max, 2 x mc2 and 1 x mc1

    Are you overlooking that Pen deflection number?
    notice
    no weapons adding extra pen deflection yet.

    cmon mate, you been around as long as me.
    how could you slip up like that

    i was highlighting the armor only, not a full build :P 
    There are no weapons that add pen deflection...
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  • Carlo DeNauw
    Carlo DeNauw
    Unicorn Overlord
    Joined Aug 2012 Posts: 3,984

    notice
    no weapons adding extra pen deflection yet.

    cmon mate, you been around as long as me.
    how could you slip up like that

    i was highlighting the armor only, not a full build :P 
    But that is a fallacious argument Warren. You've been around as long as I, you KNOW you can't load the armors like that b/c you open to far too much other vulnerabilities. If we were further along in the releases then, yea, you may have a good use for a hull like that, but not right now. Even if you stuck all NW's on the hull it won't come close to stopping a maxed EX2, it'll be dead with 1-2 hits.
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  • Capt_Mac_xx_ICU
    Capt_Mac_xx_ICU
    Minor Nuisance
    Joined Feb 2013 Posts: 177
    edited 15 May 2018, 5:52PM
    On the VXP target for the weekend. Should I be reading this as the only payout will be IF you destroy the target and then you get three 10k vxp tokens ONLY for Defender class hulls? Or will we still be able to use a crew to get 3x the vxp on ANY hull, plus the tokens if we destroy the target????
    Level 84 player
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  • havatya
    havatya
    Potential Threat
    Joined Mar 2013 Posts: 44
    where is the charged armour for the buccs and hydras if we need them hulls for the new top end targets coming out
  • davec415
    davec415
    Incursion Leader
    Joined Aug 2011 Posts: 1,370
    davec415 said:
    So howies nerfed again. Day after raid again.

    my howies didn't do squat. I had 3 howies 6's in base and still got flattened. tell me again how to stop msc's with mc 2 plates????
    You need the 4 howies, 2 blunder, fire support, and right specials for maimum damage.  

    I had at least 2 howies under 5x firesupport 2. I still don't have blunderbuss 2 nor do i have vulture 2's.
    wax
  • davec415
    davec415
    Incursion Leader
    Joined Aug 2011 Posts: 1,370
    davec415 said:
    So howies nerfed again. Day after raid again.

    my howies didn't do squat. I had 3 howies 6's in base and still got flattened. tell me again how to stop msc's with mc 2 plates????
    You need the 4 howies, 2 blunder, fire support, and right specials for maimum damage.  

    care too show me what the right specials on a howie 6 are. see if put the right ones on please
    wax
  • SandmanGTS
    SandmanGTS
    Potential Threat
    Joined Jan 2016 Posts: 27
    For all of us that don't have Hunter, Fangtooth, or Proto-Tideseeker fleets, how about making Hydra's Hollow co-op.
  • Captain Pants
    Captain Pants
    Skilled Warrior
    Joined Aug 2014 Posts: 520
    Would be helpful if the new scourge siege targets (for base parts) showed in the locator. Then again, the old ones aren't showing either. And yes, they have spawned.
  • Shadows-13
    Shadows-13
    Strike-force Captain
    Joined Aug 2016 Posts: 866
    davec415 said:
    davec415 said:
    So howies nerfed again. Day after raid again.

    my howies didn't do squat. I had 3 howies 6's in base and still got flattened. tell me again how to stop msc's with mc 2 plates????
    You need the 4 howies, 2 blunder, fire support, and right specials for maimum damage.  

    care too show me what the right specials on a howie 6 are. see if put the right ones on please
    Figure em out your self, also without all the ballistic be hard to damage the msc especially with the new armor.
    Know your enemy and know yourself and you can fight a hundred battles without disaster.
    -Sun Tzu
  • Tom Caswell
    Tom Caswell
    Potential Threat
    Joined Jul 2012 Posts: 74
    Well, here we are going into another week that nothing has been done to repair anything. Another week Kix refuses to listen to the players feed back. Another week Kix shuts things down for supposedly maintenance, does nothing, but instead, focus is set on adding new hurdles for us to jump through. Another week of kix catering to the high rollers and coiners. Another week of nothing but excuses why things arent working. Another week of lies and cons to get us to coin. These guys ought to be politicians. They run the game just like the Govt. Ignore anything and everthing and focus only on making money. They have taken the fun out of the game. Pages and pages of comments, but Kix dont listen to any of it. 
  • alex.stanham
    alex.stanham
    Strike-force Captain
    Joined Mar 2013 Posts: 828
    edited 15 May 2018, 6:07PM
    would be nice chams will be allowed as was part of the siege raids , i did siege raid with chams fleet , so now need to build the buccs for the new targets because i got chams only , more fleets to build, when the slow down is going to happen ??? was a complete lie , we have only 1 shipyard and one limited shipyard , so let us use the chams in the siege tlcs  , i got 1 bucc partial build and everything to build them , just dont have the time to build them now , as we have fm and raid fleets to build plus other chores 
    DarKCloWn
  • Shadows-13
    Shadows-13
    Strike-force Captain
    Joined Aug 2016 Posts: 866
    So howies nerfed again. Day after raid again.
    You need to learn to math I think. With all the ballistic bonus turrets in and a few maxed, you're not gonna make it past the first turn in any decent base.
    Okay walk me through the math, just how much damage gets through with these new armors? 
    https://www.facebook.com/groups/TFCBP/permalink/598381293861553/


    ^Example of an MSC.
    I never did say useless, nerf just means reduced effectiveness sometimes that means useless. My comment was more so to point of changing what people are expected when they get their stuff when the raid just ended. And that this is a repeat of when howie first came out.  
    Know your enemy and know yourself and you can fight a hundred battles without disaster.
    -Sun Tzu
  • Carlos_DaPoof
    Carlos_DaPoof
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    Joined Mar 2018 Posts: 775
    Why shouldn't Kix cater to those that pay to keep this game alive? If you spend big bucks on something, don't you wan't to be catered to by the seller?
    Who says they aren't listening to the feedback? There is a difference between listening and actually doing what is asked.  The majority of the player feedback can fall under three main headers (like this one): make the game easier, make the game cheaper & fix the glitches.  They certainly aren't ever going to do the first two, and I think the reason that we don't see any action on the third is because they don't know how.
    I don't really agree that Kix lies or cons players into coining.  I think they rely on the knee-jerk effect that seems so prevalent among players.  The majority of players will spend before they think.  I do it, you do it, everyone does it in the race to have something out first.  I think the number of times we have actually been misled or intentionally lied to as opposed to making a bad knee-jerk decision is a very small ratio.
    If they have taken fun out of your game, you should find another.  That action stands a much better chance of sending your message than ranting in here does.
    " I see no solid discussion or argument. Just whining and name calling. You pose no reason or logic to back up your position and can't articulate a reason why "
  • peter.hallett.75
    peter.hallett.75
    Potential Threat
    Joined Mar 2013 Posts: 59
    No increase payout for salvages and elite targets during VXP W/E.  Also no fix for being able to utilize Mega build tokens for upgrades or builds.

    Because we don't take damage in salvages and elites, I expect.
  • davec415
    davec415
    Incursion Leader
    Joined Aug 2011 Posts: 1,370
    davec415 said:
    davec415 said:
    So howies nerfed again. Day after raid again.

    my howies didn't do squat. I had 3 howies 6's in base and still got flattened. tell me again how to stop msc's with mc 2 plates????
    You need the 4 howies, 2 blunder, fire support, and right specials for maimum damage.  

    care too show me what the right specials on a howie 6 are. see if put the right ones on please
    Figure em out your self, also without all the ballistic be hard to damage the msc especially with the new armor.


    HERE IS HOW I HAVE MINE BUILT. CARE TOO SHARE YOURS PLEASE
    wax
  • Shark Attack 167
    Shark Attack 167
    Potential Threat
    Joined Dec 2012 Posts: 26
    No increase payout for salvages and elite targets during VXP W/E.  Also no fix for being able to utilize Mega build tokens for upgrades or builds.

    Because we don't take damage in salvages and elites, I expect.
    nope never do thats why they dont increase vxp in them at all.any fleet can kill them easy.
    Shark Attack 167
  • sgmeyer1
    sgmeyer1
    Skilled Warrior
    Joined Aug 2014 Posts: 488

    @alex.stanham said:
    would be nice chams will be allowed as was part of the siege raids , i did siege raid with chams fleet , so now need to build the buccs for the new targets because i got chams only , more fleets to build, when the slow down is going to happen ??? was a complete lie , we have only 1 shipyard and one limited shipyard , so let us use the chams in the siege tlcs  , i got 1 bucc partial build and everything to build them , just dont have the time to build them now , as we have fm and raid fleets to build plus other chores 

    You will be able to use them on the map targets, nothing saying that they are disallowed.

  • kixeyeuser_1421236348331_100008896387806
    kixeyeuser_1421236348331_100008896387806
    Skilled Warrior
    Joined Apr 2015 Posts: 413
    “I think piracy is a bit like drinking. You want to stay out all night doing it, you pay the price the next day.” 
    ― Scott Lynch, Red Seas Under Red Skies

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    LOL okay to be fair he warned us lmao.

    The base parts that can now be used for upgrades on new turrets is welcome to a lot of us, but what about the guys who had to pay for it? Guess they stayed out all night.

    Nice quote CM R, fitting ;)
  • sgmeyer1
    sgmeyer1
    Skilled Warrior
    Joined Aug 2014 Posts: 488

    @Carlos_DaPoof said:
    Looking at the new weapon stats:

    I see "passthrough"
    I see "over damage"
    I see "special abilities"
    I see separate damage "deflections"

    What I also see is an increasingly over-complicated game (in an apparent reversal of GD Raiken's pledge to reduce such - imagine that?) with monthly flip flops that are requiring a constant series of refits (thank God we asked for the conquest yard, eh guys?) along with an obvious decrease in building/refitting assistance (generic tokens) while having to try and pin down two other fleets (FM and raid) at the same time that we are going to experience a change in a chore target (base parts) while the player base is still reeling and confused by being kicked in the teeth by the difficulty of the last raid and the monumental tone deafness of our "community manager" (the guy who is supposed to be on our side, right?)

    Heck, we now even have to wade through 6 different threads just to find out what's happening this week!

    Not complaining here.....Nope, not me!

    more like classifying......

    Can't see much wrong there..

  • Casper_SAS
    Casper_SAS
    Potential Threat
    Joined Feb 2013 Posts: 75
    davec415 said:
    davec415 said:
    So howies nerfed again. Day after raid again.

    my howies didn't do squat. I had 3 howies 6's in base and still got flattened. tell me again how to stop msc's with mc 2 plates????
    You need the 4 howies, 2 blunder, fire support, and right specials for maimum damage.  

    I had at least 2 howies under 5x firesupport 2. I still don't have blunderbuss 2 nor do i have vulture 2's.
    I personally think the Vulture 2 are almost as much crap as the original Vulture was. But that is just my opinion.
  • Colonel_Klink
    Colonel_Klink
    Greenhorn
    Joined Jul 2017 Posts: 12
    Well, here we are going into another week that nothing has been done to repair anything. Another week Kix refuses to listen to the players feed back. Another week Kix shuts things down for supposedly maintenance, does nothing, but instead, focus is set on adding new hurdles for us to jump through. Another week of kix catering to the high rollers and coiners. Another week of nothing but excuses why things arent working. Another week of lies and cons to get us to coin. These guys ought to be politicians. They run the game just like the Govt. Ignore anything and everthing and focus only on making money. They have taken the fun out of the game. Pages and pages of comments, but Kix dont listen to any of it. 
    Maintenance has nothing to do with the game or code... It is Amazon doing the server maintenance.  If youre going to complain get it right at least.
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