Changes to Charged Zynthonite Armor C1-C

  • john joseph svelnys
    john joseph svelnys
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    I did do the survey,. I was honest I could not suggest this game too a friend, my poll was more in depth but I stand by this

  • Carlo DeNauw
    Carlo DeNauw
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    If there is no difference in how the target plays from when the charge was one value and how it is now, there was no nerf. 

    I am taking similar damage in the 80s with my bucs as I did in the preview target. The value of the armor is the same today as it was in first preview where I could hit the 80s and test my build.

    It is not my fault you do not understand the cost/value of items you purchase. Simple economic principles are at play here. You are only able to discern value by visual and you refuse to evaluate the value based on real world practice.
    1. There was NO change to the targets from any of the previews. Either you are lying or GD Aruspex is lying. 

    2. How ya doing in the S target? The efficient builds for the A and the S are different. Part of that is the change in the armor.

    3. Not looking at all the aspects... of what?!? There are only so many damage dealing variables in these targets. Are you saying we're all morons and can't figure out the game and that you're the only genius playing??

    4. There were other people in those previews, some very good players, and they have an exceptional grasp of all the moving parts, so to have the high horse attitude when talking to the player base is not cool, especially when those other players are publicly calling this out and refusing to share vids and builds now. These players, I'm sure, are likely on the ripping edge of builds that are probably better than you've pulled off with your Kix coin. I;ve seen one of them AUTO an S target for 10 min. of damage with just 4 Buccs and 2 charged armors on each. On AUTO. What was your answer to #2 again??

    5. We are crying nerf, as are those players in the server. NOT for the stats change, but for the change of the interaction of the hulls in the targets, you know, those mechanics and things that we're just not bright enough to understand. Thankfully Kix supplied us with those cool color thingies that show how fast our charges drop and start into the resists... oh wait... that pesky knowledge thing...

    6. There is a significant difference in how the target plays. You didn't need to be there- it was streamed, it was recorded, it was already out there.

    7. Not your fault what the what?!? We don't understand the cost/value of the items we purchase? Who the **** do you think you are? Wil Flippin' Harbin?!? You don't even realize the actual effect of the change in the game and you're talking down to people as though their friggin' retards going on about discerning value based on simple economic principles and real world practice?!? Are you serious here????
     I am taking similar damage in the 80s this raid as I did in the preview (1 coin for all three targets ran back to back) No change there, so while the armor was changed, the target was changed to suit the armor change. I have stated this a few times that the targets changed with the armor, hence the value is the same. I can do the bucc T8 target for instant repair in the base (7 min to 11 min).

    If the item has no value and is not helpful do not use it :) The truth is that the item helps in the targets it was designed for, if I got 1 coin damage for all three of the 80 targets in the preview and I am getting 1 coin damage for the same targets, same build, in the raid the armor's value is the same today as it was before the change because it was designed for this raid. 

    All you guys are seeing is that the values changed on the BP, but you are not comparing its usefulness in the targets. If you are getting instant repair on the S target with 2 charged and 4 buccs, I would say that the armor is performing perfectly and the targets were tuned to the armor we have, not the armor you want. Hence Economic principals ;)
    So you are saying that GDA is a lier, you haven't noticed a difference, and you ignored everything in that post. Interesting. Tell me, do you have a vid of the preview server and the raid? TFC does. There are noticeable differences I wonder if it's that you refuse to acknowledge then so that your arguments aren't negated, or that you seriously just don't understand what you're seeing?
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  • Damnation-n-Hellfire
    Damnation-n-Hellfire
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    Joined Nov 2011 Posts: 840
    Im just going to leave it at this we keep being told we dont understand mechanics we keep being told we dont know how to build boats correctly. Well let me tell you one thing we certainly dont know how to do thats be in charge of literally the worst year battle pirates has ever had yet cocky enough to act like none of it is on us. No sir we dont know how to do that

  • Specialist aka Specs
    Specialist aka Specs
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    edited 13 Jan 2018, 4:36AM
    If there is no difference in how the target plays from when the charge was one value and how it is now, there was no nerf. 

    I am taking similar damage in the 80s with my bucs as I did in the preview target. The value of the armor is the same today as it was in first preview where I could hit the 80s and test my build.

    It is not my fault you do not understand the cost/value of items you purchase. Simple economic principles are at play here. You are only able to discern value by visual and you refuse to evaluate the value based on real world practice.
    1. There was NO change to the targets from any of the previews. Either you are lying or GD Aruspex is lying. 

    2. How ya doing in the S target? The efficient builds for the A and the S are different. Part of that is the change in the armor.

    3. Not looking at all the aspects... of what?!? There are only so many damage dealing variables in these targets. Are you saying we're all morons and can't figure out the game and that you're the only genius playing??

    4. There were other people in those previews, some very good players, and they have an exceptional grasp of all the moving parts, so to have the high horse attitude when talking to the player base is not cool, especially when those other players are publicly calling this out and refusing to share vids and builds now. These players, I'm sure, are likely on the ripping edge of builds that are probably better than you've pulled off with your Kix coin. I;ve seen one of them AUTO an S target for 10 min. of damage with just 4 Buccs and 2 charged armors on each. On AUTO. What was your answer to #2 again??

    5. We are crying nerf, as are those players in the server. NOT for the stats change, but for the change of the interaction of the hulls in the targets, you know, those mechanics and things that we're just not bright enough to understand. Thankfully Kix supplied us with those cool color thingies that show how fast our charges drop and start into the resists... oh wait... that pesky knowledge thing...

    6. There is a significant difference in how the target plays. You didn't need to be there- it was streamed, it was recorded, it was already out there.

    7. Not your fault what the what?!? We don't understand the cost/value of the items we purchase? Who the **** do you think you are? Wil Flippin' Harbin?!? You don't even realize the actual effect of the change in the game and you're talking down to people as though their friggin' retards going on about discerning value based on simple economic principles and real world practice?!? Are you serious here????
     I am taking similar damage in the 80s this raid as I did in the preview (1 coin for all three targets ran back to back) No change there, so while the armor was changed, the target was changed to suit the armor change. I have stated this a few times that the targets changed with the armor, hence the value is the same. I can do the bucc T8 target for instant repair in the base (7 min to 11 min).

    If the item has no value and is not helpful do not use it :) The truth is that the item helps in the targets it was designed for, if I got 1 coin damage for all three of the 80 targets in the preview and I am getting 1 coin damage for the same targets, same build, in the raid the armor's value is the same today as it was before the change because it was designed for this raid. 

    All you guys are seeing is that the values changed on the BP, but you are not comparing its usefulness in the targets. If you are getting instant repair on the S target with 2 charged and 4 buccs, I would say that the armor is performing perfectly and the targets were tuned to the armor we have, not the armor you want. Hence Economic principals ;)
    So you are saying that GDA is a lier, you haven't noticed a difference, and you ignored everything in that post. Interesting. Tell me, do you have a vid of the preview server and the raid? TFC does. There are noticeable differences I wonder if it's that you refuse to acknowledge then so that your arguments aren't negated, or that you seriously just don't understand what you're seeing?
    GDA is saying the targets did not change? Or the targets were changed?

    I think the targets did change and that the armor change was done to keep the armor in line with those changes. See damage is the same over the course of the targets and through the change.


    Let me tell you why I think the targets changed - In the Preview I could run Rad Deflection to reduce damage, in the raid I cannot ;) but my damage is similar so the target was balanced around that change and the current version of our Charged Ballistic armor.

  • Damnation-n-Hellfire
    Damnation-n-Hellfire
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    If there is no difference in how the target plays from when the charge was one value and how it is now, there was no nerf. 

    I am taking similar damage in the 80s with my bucs as I did in the preview target. The value of the armor is the same today as it was in first preview where I could hit the 80s and test my build.

    It is not my fault you do not understand the cost/value of items you purchase. Simple economic principles are at play here. You are only able to discern value by visual and you refuse to evaluate the value based on real world practice.
    1. There was NO change to the targets from any of the previews. Either you are lying or GD Aruspex is lying. 

    2. How ya doing in the S target? The efficient builds for the A and the S are different. Part of that is the change in the armor.

    3. Not looking at all the aspects... of what?!? There are only so many damage dealing variables in these targets. Are you saying we're all morons and can't figure out the game and that you're the only genius playing??

    4. There were other people in those previews, some very good players, and they have an exceptional grasp of all the moving parts, so to have the high horse attitude when talking to the player base is not cool, especially when those other players are publicly calling this out and refusing to share vids and builds now. These players, I'm sure, are likely on the ripping edge of builds that are probably better than you've pulled off with your Kix coin. I;ve seen one of them AUTO an S target for 10 min. of damage with just 4 Buccs and 2 charged armors on each. On AUTO. What was your answer to #2 again??

    5. We are crying nerf, as are those players in the server. NOT for the stats change, but for the change of the interaction of the hulls in the targets, you know, those mechanics and things that we're just not bright enough to understand. Thankfully Kix supplied us with those cool color thingies that show how fast our charges drop and start into the resists... oh wait... that pesky knowledge thing...

    6. There is a significant difference in how the target plays. You didn't need to be there- it was streamed, it was recorded, it was already out there.

    7. Not your fault what the what?!? We don't understand the cost/value of the items we purchase? Who the **** do you think you are? Wil Flippin' Harbin?!? You don't even realize the actual effect of the change in the game and you're talking down to people as though their friggin' retards going on about discerning value based on simple economic principles and real world practice?!? Are you serious here????
     I am taking similar damage in the 80s this raid as I did in the preview (1 coin for all three targets ran back to back) No change there, so while the armor was changed, the target was changed to suit the armor change. I have stated this a few times that the targets changed with the armor, hence the value is the same. I can do the bucc T8 target for instant repair in the base (7 min to 11 min).

    If the item has no value and is not helpful do not use it :) The truth is that the item helps in the targets it was designed for, if I got 1 coin damage for all three of the 80 targets in the preview and I am getting 1 coin damage for the same targets, same build, in the raid the armor's value is the same today as it was before the change because it was designed for this raid. 

    All you guys are seeing is that the values changed on the BP, but you are not comparing its usefulness in the targets. If you are getting instant repair on the S target with 2 charged and 4 buccs, I would say that the armor is performing perfectly and the targets were tuned to the armor we have, not the armor you want. Hence Economic principals ;)
    So you are saying that GDA is a lier, you haven't noticed a difference, and you ignored everything in that post. Interesting. Tell me, do you have a vid of the preview server and the raid? TFC does. There are noticeable differences I wonder if it's that you refuse to acknowledge then so that your arguments aren't negated, or that you seriously just don't understand what you're seeing?
    GDA is saying the targets did not change? Or the targets were changed?

    I think the targets did change and that the armor change was done to keep the armor in line with those changes. See damage is the same over the course of the targets and through the change.


    straight from the horses mouth

    When the charged armor was lowered by 70-80% effectiveness did the damage in the raid target also change?

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    GD Aruspex No. We haven't touched the raid targets in a while.
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  • Isa Meral
    Isa Meral
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    Joined Feb 2013 Posts: 347
    Guys please.. It is 16 pages long. Do not exhaust your fingers here, don't you understand yet? kix arranged cm rampage just to do not involve forums and players anymore. You all are discussing here with mods, CM maybe reading it but what is that? he is not someone from kix? who we are talking to? what now ?
    I will tell you what now. Someone inside the kix doing random unplanned job. Whoever he is, he put missiles and ships in siege targets, he did not release radioactive charged armors in last hull store raid (preparation raid for upcoming siege raid cycle, its why it was 6 days. right?), he seperated pve targets to hulls instead of whole hull class, released skill hull in a tlc 10 days before FIRST raid????, many of us fangtooth users can not even completed tlc for the skill hull, he broked fm targets, keep changing fm targets damage outputs according to his head, he retired some very good things like agility 4 according to his head, he nerfed c1-c armor because the ones who do not have it will fail more than others and he did not even considered c1-c owners did not sleep nights to be able to get everything so be prepared for siege raid, and "that difference between charged owners and not owners" are why should be c1-c owners their previlige... whoever did not get charged armors from that "6 days" raid and map targets after that, it is only because they did not give a **** to it so they dont have it, it is simple as that.

    list can go longer and longer. but the point is, someone there doing very very bad job and our voices in this forum are not reaching to kixeye anymore. its dead end.
  • Specialist aka Specs
    Specialist aka Specs
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    GDA is saying the targets did not change? Or the targets were changed?

    I think the targets did change and that the armor change was done to keep the armor in line with those changes. See damage is the same over the course of the targets and through the change.


    straight from the horses mouth

    When the charged armor was lowered by 70-80% effectiveness did the damage in the raid target also change?

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    How does what GDA has said differ from what I am saying. I stated that the targets play the same in the raid as they did in the Preview (IE I am taking similar damage with the same build) so if the armor change was done then the targets were changed to fit the armor.

    But, it seems that the armor was changed so they did not have to adjust the targets. Because my damage is close enough that I cannot complain about horrendous damage. 
  • AnEyeForAnEye
    AnEyeForAnEye
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    Joined Feb 2014 Posts: 7,087
    Im just going to leave it at this we keep being told we dont understand mechanics we keep being told we dont know how to build boats correctly. Well let me tell you one thing we certainly dont know how to do thats be in charge of literally the worst year battle pirates has ever had yet cocky enough to act like none of it is on us. No sir we dont know how to do that

    I think it more we dont fully build (or coin) our ships.

    It obvious that ships today with auras require fully built flt of 4 or 5 ships. Since 90 % of us at 3 at best ( or 4 shells), it impossible to have them perform properly.

    Those having success in this raid have fully built flt of 4 bucc or 4 hydras. 

    Everything they have done in the past year as been to push for players to coin builds, nothin more. And this raid is the perfect example, since raid targets are designed around fully built flts.
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  • U C ME-RETIRED
    U C ME-RETIRED
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    Joined Feb 2013 Posts: 602
    Spec you dont need to back kixeye all the time being a moderator is tough job but there is lots of communication delay and no insight on targets another rip off by nerfing charged armours i can add more and more just came to know that we need both phalanx 4 and sprints both are anti missiles i do not see much difference (The Phalanx four shoots down the Cannibal Wendigo and the Sprint shoots down the Hyena) Isn't this a rip off by kixeye? after what they have done already
  • AnEyeForAnEye
    AnEyeForAnEye
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    Joined Feb 2014 Posts: 7,087
    edited 13 Jan 2018, 5:15AM
    Im just going to leave it at this we keep being told we dont understand mechanics we keep being told we dont know how to build boats correctly. Well let me tell you one thing we certainly dont know how to do thats be in charge of literally the worst year battle pirates has ever had yet cocky enough to act like none of it is on us. No sir we dont know how to do that

    I think it more we dont fully build (or coin) our ships.

    It obvious that ships today with auras require fully built flt of 4 or 5 ships. Since 90 % of us at 3 at best ( or 4 shells), it impossible to have them perform properly.

    Those having success in this raid have fully built flt of 4 bucc or 4 hydras. 

    Everything they have done in the past year as been to push for players to coin builds, nothin more. And this raid is the perfect example, since raid targets are designed around fully built flts.
    No when i say about we dont understand mechanics or build good fleets these are comments that have come directly from GDA. Yet who does all testing for them? Players. Who finds all the bugs in their faulty products. Players. Who literally has to show them videos and explain to them whats happening and why its not correct. Players. Yep we dont know a **** thing
    I know that very well. The players have always been the one to find and break there game by finding genius set up in build to break there intended.

    OFC, they test there design with there own flt designs. Why you think they asl specific players to test it out, so they can adapt to players builds, nothin more. STS 3 is a perfect example. In preview it got tested by players and it reduced dmg by huge numbers. Kix adapted and now it does maybe 10 % reduction and kix now adds it to raid in hopes players with refit it on there ships at 48 coin a piece.

    WE all know they added those missile/rockets doin rad dmg in a these siege target knowing/hoping we be caught of guard since it was expected. The non release of rad armor was a way to leave an opening for garanteed dmg in order to increase the amount of coining to earn those new flags/armors.

    WEll, they ahve succeeded. How many elite players and community so called leaders have coined there builds to finish them in order to be able to grind it. PErsonnaly it makes me puke. Ive held my decision not to spend coin. Cant say the same for those leaders who cried out they wouldnt encourage them and ended up doin it and making videos how they are now doin A's or S's set for instant dmg.

    Sadly it doesnt help no one.
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  • JoeCusty
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    Joined Jun 2013 Posts: 105
    Turned the knife in our backs as you turn up the damage, I will not only not recommend this game in the future, I will warn everyone of the unworthiness of any kixeye game and how the company took a very decent game and turned it into a torture device, that after all these years of loyalty, they could just ignore the player's hard work and without merit just nerf an essential component of the game based on a test based on unlimited funds with improper targets to justify a greed over playability motive.. You have really angered the player base AND YOU DON'T CARE!!!!! You even fired a monitor for speaking up, you are out of touch with your paying player base.

  • Damnation-n-Hellfire
    Damnation-n-Hellfire
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    Joined Nov 2011 Posts: 840
    Im just going to leave it at this we keep being told we dont understand mechanics we keep being told we dont know how to build boats correctly. Well let me tell you one thing we certainly dont know how to do thats be in charge of literally the worst year battle pirates has ever had yet cocky enough to act like none of it is on us. No sir we dont know how to do that

    I think it more we dont fully build (or coin) our ships.

    It obvious that ships today with auras require fully built flt of 4 or 5 ships. Since 90 % of us at 3 at best ( or 4 shells), it impossible to have them perform properly.

    Those having success in this raid have fully built flt of 4 bucc or 4 hydras. 

    Everything they have done in the past year as been to push for players to coin builds, nothin more. And this raid is the perfect example, since raid targets are designed around fully built flts.
    No when i say about we dont understand mechanics or build good fleets these are comments that have come directly from GDA. Yet who does all testing for them? Players. Who finds all the bugs in their faulty products. Players. Who literally has to show them videos and explain to them whats happening and why its not correct. Players. Yep we dont know a **** thing
    I know that very well. The players have always been the one to find and break there game by finding genius set up in build to break there intended.

    OFC, they test there design with there own flt designs. Why you think they asl specific players to test it out, so they can adapt to players builds, nothin more.

    WE all know they added those missile/rockets doin rad dmg in a these siege target knowing/hoping we be caught of guard since it was expected. The non release of rad armor was a way to leave an opening for garanteed dmg in order to increase the amount of coining to earn those new flags/armors.

    WEll, they ahve succeeded. How many elite players and community so called leaders have coined there builds to finish them in order to be able to grind it. PErsonnaly it makes me puke. Ive held my decision not to spend coin. Cant say the same for those leaders who cried out they wouldnt encourage them and ended up doin it and making videos how they are now doin A's or S's set for instant dmg.

    Sadly it doesnt help no one.
    i didnt coin mine and im doin As for instant damage but they can shove those S sets
  • AnEyeForAnEye
    AnEyeForAnEye
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    Joined Feb 2014 Posts: 7,087
    Im just going to leave it at this we keep being told we dont understand mechanics we keep being told we dont know how to build boats correctly. Well let me tell you one thing we certainly dont know how to do thats be in charge of literally the worst year battle pirates has ever had yet cocky enough to act like none of it is on us. No sir we dont know how to do that

    I think it more we dont fully build (or coin) our ships.

    It obvious that ships today with auras require fully built flt of 4 or 5 ships. Since 90 % of us at 3 at best ( or 4 shells), it impossible to have them perform properly.

    Those having success in this raid have fully built flt of 4 bucc or 4 hydras. 

    Everything they have done in the past year as been to push for players to coin builds, nothin more. And this raid is the perfect example, since raid targets are designed around fully built flts.
    No when i say about we dont understand mechanics or build good fleets these are comments that have come directly from GDA. Yet who does all testing for them? Players. Who finds all the bugs in their faulty products. Players. Who literally has to show them videos and explain to them whats happening and why its not correct. Players. Yep we dont know a **** thing
    I know that very well. The players have always been the one to find and break there game by finding genius set up in build to break there intended.

    OFC, they test there design with there own flt designs. Why you think they asl specific players to test it out, so they can adapt to players builds, nothin more.

    WE all know they added those missile/rockets doin rad dmg in a these siege target knowing/hoping we be caught of guard since it was expected. The non release of rad armor was a way to leave an opening for garanteed dmg in order to increase the amount of coining to earn those new flags/armors.

    WEll, they ahve succeeded. How many elite players and community so called leaders have coined there builds to finish them in order to be able to grind it. PErsonnaly it makes me puke. Ive held my decision not to spend coin. Cant say the same for those leaders who cried out they wouldnt encourage them and ended up doin it and making videos how they are now doin A's or S's set for instant dmg.

    Sadly it doesnt help no one.
    i didnt coin mine and im doin As for instant damage but they can shove those S sets
    I never said you did adn im not going to name anyone, since i dont see the ptn in it.

    Grats if your doin it for free. I know i cant since i only have 3 bucc who die after roughly a complete set. Im at 14 mil with little to no desire to do this. Heck i just auto A set till my flt is dead, repair, rince and repeat.

    Im not gonna encourage this, im just tired of it all.
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  • Specialist aka Specs
    Specialist aka Specs
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    Joined Nov 2012 Posts: 9,395
    edited 13 Jan 2018, 5:30AM


    How does what GDA has said differ from what I am saying. I stated that the targets play the same in the raid as they did in the Preview (IE I am taking similar damage with the same build) so if the armor change was done then the targets were changed to fit the armor.

    But, it seems that the armor was changed so they did not have to adjust the targets. Because my damage is close enough that I cannot complain about horrendous damage. 
    You literally had just got done saying you thought the targets changed. Like literally, read your own post
    Yes... 

    I said this first "If there is no difference in how the target plays from when the charge was one value and how it is now, there is no nerf " Only switching tactics because people kept wanting to say the armor was nerfed. A change btw that did not change the way the targets were experienced. So instead of a target change it has been shown by you and George that the change to the armor was done to balance the armor to the targets so they did not have to make adjustments (touch the targets) from the preview. You both proved that there was no nerf and instead a correction to make sure we did not have broken armor, so thank you!


    Would you rather them run with it the way it was and then change the armor middle of the raid because it was broke?  
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    bort
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    Im just going to leave it at this we keep being told we dont understand mechanics we keep being told we dont know how to build boats correctly. Well let me tell you one thing we certainly dont know how to do thats be in charge of literally the worst year battle pirates has ever had yet cocky enough to act like none of it is on us. No sir we dont know how to do that

    I think it more we dont fully build (or coin) our ships.

    It obvious that ships today with auras require fully built flt of 4 or 5 ships. Since 90 % of us at 3 at best ( or 4 shells), it impossible to have them perform properly.

    Those having success in this raid have fully built flt of 4 bucc or 4 hydras. 

    Everything they have done in the past year as been to push for players to coin builds, nothin more. And this raid is the perfect example, since raid targets are designed around fully built flts.
    are you sure you need 4 or 5?

    https://www.kixeye.com/forum/discussion/comment/5857896 

    its even on the forums. seriously. wtf?
  • Damnation-n-Hellfire
    Damnation-n-Hellfire
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    How does what GDA has said differ from what I am saying. I stated that the targets play the same in the raid as they did in the Preview (IE I am taking similar damage with the same build) so if the armor change was done then the targets were changed to fit the armor.

    But, it seems that the armor was changed so they did not have to adjust the targets. Because my damage is close enough that I cannot complain about horrendous damage. 
    You literally had just got done saying you thought the targets changed. Like literally, read your own post
    Yes... 

    I said this first "If there is no difference in how the target plays from when the charge was one value and how it is now, there is no nerf " Only switching tactics because people kept wanting to say the armor was nerfed. A change btw that did not change the way the targets were experienced. So instead of a target change it has been shown by you and George that the change to the armor was done to balance the armor to the targets so they did not have to make adjustments (touch the targets) from the preview. You both proved that there was no nerf and instead a correction to make sure we did not have broken armor, so thank you!


    Would you rather them run with it the way it was and then change the armor middle of the raid because it was broke?  
    No i would have rather them do what any company with any kind of customer relations common sense would have done. Own their mistake take it in the shorts this raid then fix it before the next giving people ample time and notice to adjust but we cant have that can we
  • Specialist aka Specs
    Specialist aka Specs
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    Joined Nov 2012 Posts: 9,395
    edited 13 Jan 2018, 5:38AM


    How does what GDA has said differ from what I am saying. I stated that the targets play the same in the raid as they did in the Preview (IE I am taking similar damage with the same build) so if the armor change was done then the targets were changed to fit the armor.

    But, it seems that the armor was changed so they did not have to adjust the targets. Because my damage is close enough that I cannot complain about horrendous damage. 
    You literally had just got done saying you thought the targets changed. Like literally, read your own post
    Yes... 

    I said this first "If there is no difference in how the target plays from when the charge was one value and how it is now, there is no nerf " Only switching tactics because people kept wanting to say the armor was nerfed. A change btw that did not change the way the targets were experienced. So instead of a target change it has been shown by you and George that the change to the armor was done to balance the armor to the targets so they did not have to make adjustments (touch the targets) from the preview. You both proved that there was no nerf and instead a correction to make sure we did not have broken armor, so thank you!


    Would you rather them run with it the way it was and then change the armor middle of the raid because it was broke?  
    No i would have rather them do what any company with any kind of customer relations common sense would have done. Own their mistake take it in the shorts this raid then fix it before the next giving people ample time and notice to adjust but we cant have that can we
    No company would willing take a hit if they could make the change quick enough, at least if they were doing the right thing for their shareholders (not to be confused with stakeholders).
  • Damnation-n-Hellfire
    Damnation-n-Hellfire
    Strike-force Captain
    Joined Nov 2011 Posts: 840


    How does what GDA has said differ from what I am saying. I stated that the targets play the same in the raid as they did in the Preview (IE I am taking similar damage with the same build) so if the armor change was done then the targets were changed to fit the armor.

    But, it seems that the armor was changed so they did not have to adjust the targets. Because my damage is close enough that I cannot complain about horrendous damage. 
    You literally had just got done saying you thought the targets changed. Like literally, read your own post
    Yes... 

    I said this first "If there is no difference in how the target plays from when the charge was one value and how it is now, there is no nerf " Only switching tactics because people kept wanting to say the armor was nerfed. A change btw that did not change the way the targets were experienced. So instead of a target change it has been shown by you and George that the change to the armor was done to balance the armor to the targets so they did not have to make adjustments (touch the targets) from the preview. You both proved that there was no nerf and instead a correction to make sure we did not have broken armor, so thank you!


    Would you rather them run with it the way it was and then change the armor middle of the raid because it was broke?  
    Oh and btw way if you dont think that change changed how the targets were experienced lets look at this simple fact the charge pool was cut on ballistic by 1/3 people have to retreat 3 times to keep any kind of charge, but no thats no change in the experience having to retreat 3 times when you wouldnt have had to at all had it not been changed. Good lord how do you even see to type with your head so buried in the sand or somewhere else...
  • Damnation-n-Hellfire
    Damnation-n-Hellfire
    Strike-force Captain
    Joined Nov 2011 Posts: 840


    How does what GDA has said differ from what I am saying. I stated that the targets play the same in the raid as they did in the Preview (IE I am taking similar damage with the same build) so if the armor change was done then the targets were changed to fit the armor.

    But, it seems that the armor was changed so they did not have to adjust the targets. Because my damage is close enough that I cannot complain about horrendous damage. 
    You literally had just got done saying you thought the targets changed. Like literally, read your own post
    Yes... 

    I said this first "If there is no difference in how the target plays from when the charge was one value and how it is now, there is no nerf " Only switching tactics because people kept wanting to say the armor was nerfed. A change btw that did not change the way the targets were experienced. So instead of a target change it has been shown by you and George that the change to the armor was done to balance the armor to the targets so they did not have to make adjustments (touch the targets) from the preview. You both proved that there was no nerf and instead a correction to make sure we did not have broken armor, so thank you!


    Would you rather them run with it the way it was and then change the armor middle of the raid because it was broke?  
    No i would have rather them do what any company with any kind of customer relations common sense would have done. Own their mistake take it in the shorts this raid then fix it before the next giving people ample time and notice to adjust but we cant have that can we
    No company would willing take a hit if they could make the change quick enough, at least if they were doing the right thing for their shareholders (not to be confused with stakeholders).
    and theres the problem and thanks for bringing it up you nailed it "quick enough". 12 hours is NOT quick enough when just one armor plate is 1 day 10 hrs
  • bort
    bort
    Unicorn Overlord
    Joined Oct 2011 Posts: 8,080


    How does what GDA has said differ from what I am saying. I stated that the targets play the same in the raid as they did in the Preview (IE I am taking similar damage with the same build) so if the armor change was done then the targets were changed to fit the armor.

    But, it seems that the armor was changed so they did not have to adjust the targets. Because my damage is close enough that I cannot complain about horrendous damage. 
    You literally had just got done saying you thought the targets changed. Like literally, read your own post
    Yes... 

    I said this first "If there is no difference in how the target plays from when the charge was one value and how it is now, there is no nerf " Only switching tactics because people kept wanting to say the armor was nerfed. A change btw that did not change the way the targets were experienced. So instead of a target change it has been shown by you and George that the change to the armor was done to balance the armor to the targets so they did not have to make adjustments (touch the targets) from the preview. You both proved that there was no nerf and instead a correction to make sure we did not have broken armor, so thank you!


    Would you rather them run with it the way it was and then change the armor middle of the raid because it was broke?  
    Oh and btw way if you dont think that change changed how the targets were experienced lets look at this simple fact the charge pool was cut on ballistic by 1/3 people have to retreat 3 times to keep any kind of charge, but no thats no change in the experience having to retreat 3 times when you wouldnt have had to at all had it not been changed. Good lord how do you even see to type with your head so buried in the sand or somewhere else...
    they probably would have jacked the damage way up if they'd kept the charge that high.

    anyone with less than 2 or 3 charged probably would have been instantly vapourised.

    people seem to forget that they also adjust the target damage .... dunno why. 
  • Specialist aka Specs
    Specialist aka Specs
    Unicorn Overlord
    Joined Nov 2012 Posts: 9,395


    How does what GDA has said differ from what I am saying. I stated that the targets play the same in the raid as they did in the Preview (IE I am taking similar damage with the same build) so if the armor change was done then the targets were changed to fit the armor.

    But, it seems that the armor was changed so they did not have to adjust the targets. Because my damage is close enough that I cannot complain about horrendous damage. 
    You literally had just got done saying you thought the targets changed. Like literally, read your own post
    Yes... 

    I said this first "If there is no difference in how the target plays from when the charge was one value and how it is now, there is no nerf " Only switching tactics because people kept wanting to say the armor was nerfed. A change btw that did not change the way the targets were experienced. So instead of a target change it has been shown by you and George that the change to the armor was done to balance the armor to the targets so they did not have to make adjustments (touch the targets) from the preview. You both proved that there was no nerf and instead a correction to make sure we did not have broken armor, so thank you!


    Would you rather them run with it the way it was and then change the armor middle of the raid because it was broke?  
    Oh and btw way if you dont think that change changed how the targets were experienced lets look at this simple fact the charge pool was cut on ballistic by 1/3 people have to retreat 3 times to keep any kind of charge, but no thats no change in the experience having to retreat 3 times when you wouldnt have had to at all had it not been changed. Good lord how do you even see to type with your head so buried in the sand or somewhere else...
    The experience is done through damage taken (I do not care about anything other than how fast I get through the target and what it costs in repair) and as long as that is the same the value for the equipment being used is worth it to me.

    We can look at and apply different values to the way we approach the game.


  • AnEyeForAnEye
    AnEyeForAnEye
    Unicorn Overlord
    Joined Feb 2014 Posts: 7,087
    bort said:
    Im just going to leave it at this we keep being told we dont understand mechanics we keep being told we dont know how to build boats correctly. Well let me tell you one thing we certainly dont know how to do thats be in charge of literally the worst year battle pirates has ever had yet cocky enough to act like none of it is on us. No sir we dont know how to do that

    I think it more we dont fully build (or coin) our ships.

    It obvious that ships today with auras require fully built flt of 4 or 5 ships. Since 90 % of us at 3 at best ( or 4 shells), it impossible to have them perform properly.

    Those having success in this raid have fully built flt of 4 bucc or 4 hydras. 

    Everything they have done in the past year as been to push for players to coin builds, nothin more. And this raid is the perfect example, since raid targets are designed around fully built flts.
    are you sure you need 4 or 5?

    https://www.kixeye.com/forum/discussion/comment/5857896 

    its even on the forums. seriously. ****?
    And how many players do you think have 3 hydras build in a week unless they hit the jack pot in the random chest. Most got 5d of build tokens, so you cant have 3 hydras in week built. 90 % have bucc, and you need 4 minimum to do it.
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  • Damnation-n-Hellfire
    Damnation-n-Hellfire
    Strike-force Captain
    Joined Nov 2011 Posts: 840


    How does what GDA has said differ from what I am saying. I stated that the targets play the same in the raid as they did in the Preview (IE I am taking similar damage with the same build) so if the armor change was done then the targets were changed to fit the armor.

    But, it seems that the armor was changed so they did not have to adjust the targets. Because my damage is close enough that I cannot complain about horrendous damage. 
    You literally had just got done saying you thought the targets changed. Like literally, read your own post
    Yes... 

    I said this first "If there is no difference in how the target plays from when the charge was one value and how it is now, there is no nerf " Only switching tactics because people kept wanting to say the armor was nerfed. A change btw that did not change the way the targets were experienced. So instead of a target change it has been shown by you and George that the change to the armor was done to balance the armor to the targets so they did not have to make adjustments (touch the targets) from the preview. You both proved that there was no nerf and instead a correction to make sure we did not have broken armor, so thank you!


    Would you rather them run with it the way it was and then change the armor middle of the raid because it was broke?  
    Oh and btw way if you dont think that change changed how the targets were experienced lets look at this simple fact the charge pool was cut on ballistic by 1/3 people have to retreat 3 times to keep any kind of charge, but no thats no change in the experience having to retreat 3 times when you wouldnt have had to at all had it not been changed. Good lord how do you even see to type with your head so buried in the sand or somewhere else...
    The experience is done through damage taken (I do not care about anything other than how fast I get through the target and what it costs in repair) and as long as that is the same the value for the equipment being used is worth it to me.

    We can look at and apply different values to the way we approach the game.


    And thats a fair point your entitled to how you judge your own personal experience but stop trying to force that standard on others. Most do not feel that way at all. to most it was a HUGE change becuase they dont want to nor should they have to run in and out of a target 3 times with whats suppose to be the frickin auto hull. And honestly thats all Ive seen you doing trying to convince people that your opinion and yuour experience is the only one that can have any possible validity
  • Specialist aka Specs
    Specialist aka Specs
    Unicorn Overlord
    Joined Nov 2012 Posts: 9,395


    How does what GDA has said differ from what I am saying. I stated that the targets play the same in the raid as they did in the Preview (IE I am taking similar damage with the same build) so if the armor change was done then the targets were changed to fit the armor.

    But, it seems that the armor was changed so they did not have to adjust the targets. Because my damage is close enough that I cannot complain about horrendous damage. 
    You literally had just got done saying you thought the targets changed. Like literally, read your own post
    Yes... 

    I said this first "If there is no difference in how the target plays from when the charge was one value and how it is now, there is no nerf " Only switching tactics because people kept wanting to say the armor was nerfed. A change btw that did not change the way the targets were experienced. So instead of a target change it has been shown by you and George that the change to the armor was done to balance the armor to the targets so they did not have to make adjustments (touch the targets) from the preview. You both proved that there was no nerf and instead a correction to make sure we did not have broken armor, so thank you!


    Would you rather them run with it the way it was and then change the armor middle of the raid because it was broke?  
    No i would have rather them do what any company with any kind of customer relations common sense would have done. Own their mistake take it in the shorts this raid then fix it before the next giving people ample time and notice to adjust but we cant have that can we
    No company would willing take a hit if they could make the change quick enough, at least if they were doing the right thing for their shareholders (not to be confused with stakeholders).
    and theres the problem and thanks for bringing it up you nailed it "quick enough". 12 hours is NOT quick enough when just one armor plate is 1 day 10 hrs
    I would agree with you had I entered the raid and my damage was way higher, it is not so it was an OK change. And yes my initial reaction was negative but I took a wait and see approach and did not respond based on my initial emotions, which was similar to everyone else.
  • bort
    bort
    Unicorn Overlord
    Joined Oct 2011 Posts: 8,080
    edited 13 Jan 2018, 5:50AM
    bort said:
    Im just going to leave it at this we keep being told we dont understand mechanics we keep being told we dont know how to build boats correctly. Well let me tell you one thing we certainly dont know how to do thats be in charge of literally the worst year battle pirates has ever had yet cocky enough to act like none of it is on us. No sir we dont know how to do that

    I think it more we dont fully build (or coin) our ships.

    It obvious that ships today with auras require fully built flt of 4 or 5 ships. Since 90 % of us at 3 at best ( or 4 shells), it impossible to have them perform properly.

    Those having success in this raid have fully built flt of 4 bucc or 4 hydras. 

    Everything they have done in the past year as been to push for players to coin builds, nothin more. And this raid is the perfect example, since raid targets are designed around fully built flts.
    are you sure you need 4 or 5?

    https://www.kixeye.com/forum/discussion/comment/5857896 

    its even on the forums. seriously. ****?
    And how many players do you think have 3 hydras build in a week unless they hit the jack pot in the random chest. Most got 5d of build tokens, so you cant have 3 hydras in week built. 90 % have bucc, and you need 4 minimum to do it.
    i dunno. i wasnt the one claiming you needed 4 or 5 ships when there was already a thread showing 3.

    and then instead of saying 'my bad' just throwing some other random comment out there.
  • Carlo DeNauw
    Carlo DeNauw
    Unicorn Overlord
    Joined Aug 2012 Posts: 3,891

    ...I do not care about anything other than how fast I get through the target and what it costs in repair) and as long as that is the same the value for the equipment being used is worth it to me.



    Self-explanatory right here. Sorry man. This is not the position one should take if you are trying to help the community. You need to take into account every perspective, not just your own.
    "I'll admit- I avoid the forums, it's where motivation goes to die."
    -Unknown Game Developer... or is it?
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