GRIND?

  • Axel L
    Axel L
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    Yes - the game is a grind
    Octobers Zombie Lag Fest, I'm so Excited!! I can't wait till November when WT will introduce another tech to discuss the Great New and Exciting changes coming up in the new year and appreciating the patience from everyone.


    That sounds like a lag fest I only deal with once a year though. :-)
    Hopefully kixeye has made some focus on removing most of the zombie lag. This event may be more lag free than the previous zombie event 1 year ago as kixeye has in that period made a lot of performance improvements.
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  • Depressed Thinker
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    Yes - the game is a grind
    Axel L said:
    Octobers Zombie Lag Fest, I'm so Excited!! I can't wait till November when WT will introduce another tech to discuss the Great New and Exciting changes coming up in the new year and appreciating the patience from everyone.


    That sounds like a lag fest I only deal with once a year though. :-)
    Hopefully kixeye has made some focus on removing most of the zombie lag. This event may be more lag free than the previous zombie event 1 year ago as kixeye has in that period made a lot of performance improvements.
    I hope they finally make it so bomb zombies don't hit air. They never were supposed to, but every year there is always 1.
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  • Dario Wilkowski
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    Yes - the game is a grind
    Axel L said:
    Octobers Zombie Lag Fest, I'm so Excited!! I can't wait till November when WT will introduce another tech to discuss the Great New and Exciting changes coming up in the new year and appreciating the patience from everyone.


    That sounds like a lag fest I only deal with once a year though. :-)
    Hopefully kixeye has made some focus on removing most of the zombie lag. This event may be more lag free than the previous zombie event 1 year ago as kixeye has in that period made a lot of performance improvements.
    I hope they finally make it so bomb zombies don't hit air. They never were supposed to, but every year there is always 1.
    just wonder whats that got to the topic of grind? kinda of topic 
  • VENGENCE 99
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    Joined May 2014 Posts: 2
    Yes - the game is a grind
    Lets see what WT says when 99% say its a grind
    What I say: I agree that it feels like too much of a grind at the moment and I don't think that's good.

    However, part of the problem is that, while there may be alignment in the experience is grindy, not everyone is going to 100% agree about what we should cut.  That is: if the solution is to have less stuff to do, we would need to agree on what to remove before taking more action.

    Some of the activities you list provide alternate means of getting the same thing, so that if you don't want to do it one way, you can do it another way.  Training Tokens, for example, can be earned in 4 ways (Faction Bases, Bonus Bases, Event, Invasion), so you don't have to do all of them, instead you can do just one or two, depending on your tastes.

    I would break activities in to two categories.
    • Essential: Needed to Keep Progressing in the Game
      • Monthly Event
        • Lastest Standard Units and Tons of Catch-Up Content
        • Completion Earns Training 
      • Shadow Ops
        • Latest Unique and Latest Tech
      • Metal/Oil Bases
        • Upgrade Your Base
      • Thor Bases
        • Build Current Units
    • Optional
      • Gear Store: Medals
        • Earn Medals to purchase Heroic Tech and to flesh out your platoons with units and tech by doing 1 or more of the following...
          • Challenge Bases
          • Invasion
          • PvP
      • Advanced Unit Progression
        • Earn Tokens to push your units past the competition by doing 1 or more of the following...
          • Faction Bases
          • Monthly Bonus Base
          • Invasion
          • Alliance Raids (for Legendary Units)
        • Earn Diamond Tech to boost the power of your favorite unit types by gathering Intel and completing Raids with your Alliance.
      • Boss Base
        • Get ahead on the next power tier of the most powerful units.
      • Unique Bases
        • Catch up with Uniques you might have missed (obviously not needed if you don't need or want that Unique).
      • Weapons Lab Resources
        • Temporarily bolster your defense, if you feel you it (not needed if you feel your defenses are good enough).
      • Special Events
        • Sometimes we do special stuff, like the Fire Tech Bases or Warpath to help mix things up.  The amount in which you participate in these activities is largely up to you.
    Is this a lot of things?  Yes.  But you can easily opt out of about 60% of it if you feel over burdened.  If you want to get ahead, you can still opt out of maybe 25% of it.  If you want to be the absolute most powerful player in the whole world, then yes... you have to do all of it.  But not everyone can or SHOULD be that.

    For what it's worth, we are going to try to streamline and consolidate some things over the next few months, which should be a step in the direction you want, but the game is less of a grind even now... if you don't try to do everything.  If you just want to stay current, you can get away with less.
    Hey WT, I have been thinking alot on your reply here and I'll be honest, I find it worrying, your reply clearly shows you do NOT understand this issue, your proposal to remove activities will do absolutely NOTHING positive for WC in ANY shape or form.

    Firstly, you have mistaken 'Grind' and 'Variety' they are NOT the same at all, having a good 'Variety' of activities on WC and enough of a window of opportunity to participate at a convenient time for us is a GREAT thing and Variety could well be the best thing WC has going for it, if not for the new content, game evolving etc etc then most of us would have moved on to other games, im certain of this 100%.

    The 'Grind' that is ALTOGETHER different, the biggest cause of the 'Grind' is how much we need to do a single activity to get the reward on offer, as is, it's extremely tedious and 'Grindy' and with so many activities you took the time to make for us, we would simply like to not need to devote quite as much time to one activity so we can enjoy others. You have given us a feast of variety but it's like you're insisting we stick with the same dish until we are vomiting. 

    You want us to play WC right, you want us to enjoy it too correct? Well listen to us a little bit please, you can so so easily make everything so much less 'Grindy' by slightly adjusting drop rates of rare techs, stop paying out Omega parts in 1's, increasing the value of rogues for res or so many other factors that would actually have an effect on how much time each activity would take and how 'Grindy' WC feels atm. If you want WC to feel less 'Grindy' then these are the areas you need to focus on, stop making us do the same activity until we curse you, less time needed doing a single activity before we feel like we are 'done' is what's needed. (Not a lack or reduction in Variety, I dare anyone to argue that Variety is not a good thing)

    Listing activities with the suggestion that some are removed is either a complete avoidance to deal with the issue of 'Grind' or a fundamental lack of understanding what 'Grind' is or what is causing it in WC. 

    You're gonna take away Variety/Options from us, leave the damned lottery that everyone has hated forever with it's inconsistent, unfair and flawed logarithms, no change to how much time you expect us to give up for a SINGLE activity so we'll still need to eat the same dish til vomiting again and again and again and that's a solution? It's not, nor is telling people they don't need to do everything, you of all people should know how this works, we're essentially in an arms race in this game and if we don't keep up then everything becomes more difficult and time consuming, it's a slippery **** and with the extreme amount of time that Kixeye expects us to give up already, no one wants to need to spend MORE time so of course everyone feels the need to do as much as they can manage. And this is a mentality that you Kixeye, breed in the minds of your players with your pacing of activities so to tell them they don't need to do everything is do as I say don't do as I do type of thing. Your pacing makes people 'feel' a sense of urgency, your doing, but you 'say' you don't need to do everything, you're projecting mixed messages.

    Whatever did happen to the 'slow down' of content that was promised so long ago? It hasn't been forgotten, well, not by the playerbase, I can't speak for Kixeye
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  • Jeff_M386
    Jeff_M386
    Skilled Warrior
    Joined Feb 2013 Posts: 506
    Yes - the game is a grind
    IronCorps said:
    loner23 said:
    Lets see what WT says when 99% say its a grind
    What I say: I agree that it feels like too much of a grind at the moment and I don't think that's good.

    However, part of the problem is that, while there may be alignment in the experience is grindy, not everyone is going to 100% agree about what we should cut.  That is: if the solution is to have less stuff to do, we would need to agree on what to remove before taking more action.

    Some of the activities you list provide alternate means of getting the same thing, so that if you don't want to do it one way, you can do it another way.  Training Tokens, for example, can be earned in 4 ways (Faction Bases, Bonus Bases, Event, Invasion), so you don't have to do all of them, instead you can do just one or two, depending on your tastes.

    I would break activities in to two categories.
    • Essential: Needed to Keep Progressing in the Game
      • Monthly Event
        • Lastest Standard Units and Tons of Catch-Up Content
        • Completion Earns Training 
      • Shadow Ops
        • Latest Unique and Latest Tech
      • Metal/Oil Bases
        • Upgrade Your Base
      • Thor Bases
        • Build Current Units
    • Optional
      • Gear Store: Medals
        • Earn Medals to purchase Heroic Tech and to flesh out your platoons with units and tech by doing 1 or more of the following...
          • Challenge Bases
          • Invasion
          • PvP
      • Advanced Unit Progression
        • Earn Tokens to push your units past the competition by doing 1 or more of the following...
          • Faction Bases
          • Monthly Bonus Base
          • Invasion
          • Alliance Raids (for Legendary Units)
        • Earn Diamond Tech to boost the power of your favorite unit types by gathering Intel and completing Raids with your Alliance.
      • Boss Base
        • Get ahead on the next power tier of the most powerful units.
      • Unique Bases
        • Catch up with Uniques you might have missed (obviously not needed if you don't need or want that Unique).
      • Weapons Lab Resources
        • Temporarily bolster your defense, if you feel you it (not needed if you feel your defenses are good enough).
      • Special Events
        • Sometimes we do special stuff, like the Fire Tech Bases or Warpath to help mix things up.  The amount in which you participate in these activities is largely up to you.
    Is this a lot of things?  Yes.  But you can easily opt out of about 60% of it if you feel over burdened.  If you want to get ahead, you can still opt out of maybe 25% of it.  If you want to be the absolute most powerful player in the whole world, then yes... you have to do all of it.  But not everyone can or SHOULD be that.

    For what it's worth, we are going to try to streamline and consolidate some things over the next few months, which should be a step in the direction you want, but the game is less of a grind even now... if you don't try to do everything.  If you just want to stay current, you can get away with less.
    What you're not getting is that WE're tired of the massive Lv 30's and hitting lv 35's for an lousy **** 10-15mill oil/metals. You wanna cut some thing, how about you Make an G.D base that paysout 175 -350 mill in oil and metal  an base as easy as the old HH45's . **** you could even throw in 8 mill thor, and 40k medals. That alone would cut what we hate doing most. 

    Shadow ops could SLOW THE FK down like 2 new units every yr or just cut it out. 

    Weapon Labs items should be cut do so ONLY need to go after Bastion. 

    No more adding to Special Items for the top brass just knock it the Fk off, plz. 

    Alliance Raids Can be cut since you morons cut the time down and now, who the fk has the time? Personally I never had the chance and never will cuz you idiots make everything so **** annoyingly hard that its not worth the **** effort. 

    Payouts accross the board are and always been low, when you idiots only give us an total of 1.1 mill XP from full completion of Event waves, while the meanwhile you make players fall behind every elite parts and omega parts they need is an total 12 million, whats worse is that stupid most hated TOKEN BS you created which is by far the worst. 

    Tokens alone cost an total of 22 million XP ( purchasing stupid tokens from event ) per unit you want to fully max..... thats just fk'n insane, and you idiots cant understand what you did when you were doing it. How about Think ahead of time of the crap you do cuz this chit aint even remotely funny. BTW, 400k XP per token is highway robbery. 

    Perhaps, If tokens, and Res werent an annoyingly an grind fest most hate. Maybe if you idiots did something to remove much of the RES grinding and make it easy to fill up without taking huge dmg... we might have time to do alliance raids, but seriously, with the lack of performance in game, why even bother, WHY DONT YOU just SHUT YOUR GAME DOWN

    YOu secure your Workshop cheaters, meanwhile, you create ten more fk'n problems. Thanks, now players are having issues in upgrading mods, replicating mods. Great job idots. I'm talking strictly about those that honestly upgrade their Unit Mods..... cuz you get that stupid ERROR code 

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    Events should be like Shadow Ops in regards to prizes twice an yr ( thats just 2 new Units per yr ) . I am sick of the constant new units every fk'n month while your game performance gets worse. Plus, I aint got the G.D room in platoon Storage cuz you ignorant **** refuse to Retro-fit ( redefine the space in platoon army capacity size. 40k Room is not enough ROOM. 

    Here's another aspect of the grind which some wont recognize. We've asked for an secondary dozer to reduce much of the BASE upgrade grind. I've not been able to gauge the many days it takes to get things done. Having an second dozer wouldnt hurt kixeye. as it would be an nice gesture in relieving the long upgrade times. 

    Here's another thing I am irritated about, Thanks for the 3rd helipad, but serously, I speak for those that could use at least an 4k -6k AIRCraft Platoon size for helipad and airfield ( NOT talking about Air deployment limit ). You idiots seem to think 3 K room is enough space for 3 air squadrons ( yeah maybe if you dont have phantom, Titan, SS, blackout ) 

    I dont think we would have needed an 3rd Helipad, but still it would have been reasonable to have assuming one air squadron for each faction. However for main aircraft toon 3k room is not enough **** room for The heavy air units like phantom, blackout, herald...etc plus whatever air you decide to use in that toon. 


    Gear Store grinding, is an other aspect in which you guys drop way too many techs and units to grind for. Chillax da fk down some, not all of us want to grind just cuz you put things in gear shop. 
    I mean thanks for giving us chances to get VXP gold tech but you dont take into consideration of what you asking us to do which contributes to the grind, SO I guess just not the FK off with this LAST chance crap. What would be nice is you decided which Techs you wanted to grant chances to earn for that month without over-burdening us with too many choices, though I am indifferent cuz I dont mean to cause an under-opportunity for there being not enough tech in the gear shop. 

    More specificially, if its new hero tech why you drop 3 or more techs for heros knowing you are demanding us to grind for you LOW fk'n payout of medal bases? ITs too **** much. At least one tech would be reasonable. However people are getting tired of not being able to save up enough medals cuz you put too much chit in the gear shop expecting or hoping we want to play your mind games. Chill the fk out will you? 

    Brings me to say Medal bases should payout more just like everything else that was low paid out..... You guys increase the difficulty and never make things worth the while. Thats like if players started making you kixeye work your **** off for an dollar when we know that is insufficient to your greed.  Its the same when you make everything such an pain in the **** to do in game. EX; medal base payout is HORSECHIT, so therefore I have always been about medals bases paying out more, just like I am about and for Thor bases vk50 paying 15mill thor, vk65 payout 30 mill thor, and finally vk 80 paying out 80 m Thor. 

    Speaking of which, Unit upgrades and unit builds and including unit mods costs are an bit high they too also add to the grind. How about you morons start either cutting down the costs of said chit or increase payouts across the board, cuz I am tired of the low payout horse crap. 15k per medal 90 base = not worth it. 

    One more thing just cuz if you decide to raise the payout charts all accross the **** board, dont go increasing the costs for this said things cuz if you want to remove much of the **** annoying grind then fk'n listen for Chirst's sakes. its not Fk'n rocket science. 


    You removing much of the grind would definitely, end most of my complaints about this game. 


    I don't think the second dozer will ever happen. But everything else you said was spot on. Great post!
    We  kind of got a "second dozer" in that we can now change rockets, turrets, etc without our real dozer lol
    True about the dozer and turrets BUT how about the 4 days it takes to change between types of bunkers ........... not happy about that
  • blade.e
    blade.e
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    Joined Oct 2014 Posts: 325
    Yes - the game is a grind
    95% of players are unhappy with the constant grind and need to do the same bases endlessly . sick of lottery and not being able to pick which tech/unit/prize they want , i really hope kixeye take note before its too late . for me xmas is coming and so is xbox  unless thing`s change soon 
  • blade.e
    blade.e
    Skilled Warrior
    Joined Oct 2014 Posts: 325
    Yes - the game is a grind
    Bobby _C said:
    I started this game May 16, 2013 from that time to now i have never once miss more then 1 day from this game even if i was on vacation i always log on so today i decided to log in after being gone 9 days, i saw all the bases and just log back off. This game has become such a grind pool as there is no  fun left.
    Repair time, Force PVP, Unit upgrades, Building upgrades, Tech bases, Op's, it is so much more.....
    There once was a fun factor it was your job to log on jump and fight for 7 days you felt guilty if you miss a day lol.

    Even if this number is incorrect, it speaks volumes.


    if you did one full week of pvp and no token , shad ops or pve bases all our units would be out dated or obsolete lmao
  • Ulrich Wastian
    Ulrich Wastian
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    Joined Aug 2012 Posts: 626
    Yes - the game is a grind
    95% say Yes - the game is a grind, but the grind it is getting even worse

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  • Kar-Graal
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    edited 1 Nov 2017, 11:45PM
    No - the game is not a grind
      • Special Events
        • Sometimes we do special stuff, like the Fire Tech Bases or Warpath to help mix things up.  The amount in which you participate in these activities is largely up to you.

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  • IronCorps
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    Yes - the game is a grind
    95% say Yes - the game is a grind, but the grind it is getting even worse
    Exactly. And still not response from Kixeye attempting to reduce the grind.
  • Wayne_H6
    Wayne_H6
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    Joined Feb 2015 Posts: 73
    its not worth it anymore the have ruined the game kiks is the biggest cheats in game and they wonder why so many use cheats in game   
  • MajorAzhole
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    Joined Jul 2014 Posts: 599
    No - the game is not a grind
    If you don't like those elements of the game, DON'T DO THEM.  
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  • Wayne_H6
    Wayne_H6
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    its not worth even playing anymore 
  • Mulliganaceous
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    edited 11 Nov 2017, 3:55AM
    Yes - the game is a grind
    Right now I am fast approaching Level 35, and I already have three Technicals, Bonesaws, and Faction infantry. At that level, the only bases I still "grind" on are Verkraft 50s, Shadow Ops 20s, and resource bases for updates and Special Ops. I still use Rare Special Ops to deal with higher-end bases, but I am pretty sure the grindiness is positively correlated with player level.
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  • USMC NO MAN'S GHOST
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    Yes - the game is a grind
     The system is entirely designed to be predatory; I recall Skinner had a lot to say about psychological reinforcement conditioning, and they've taken straight from that playbook.
  • SloppySecondz
    SloppySecondz
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    Joined Jul 2015 Posts: 81
    Yeah, all vetran players have reduced their play time lately it seems, some sectors are ghost towns, you dont see any new players anymore, unless its an alt.  I tell new players to just quit, save your time, this game is not worth it.
  • Deacons
    Deacons
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    Joined Aug 2012 Posts: 817
    Yes - the game is a grind
    why no reso in 70 ops bases ? no reso = more grind and why make medal bases so hard when we need 1 million medals a month for gear hero`s and ops . come on kix cut down the grind 
  • Deacons
    Deacons
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    Joined Aug 2012 Posts: 817
    Yes - the game is a grind
    Yeah, all vetran players have reduced their play time lately it seems, some sectors are ghost towns, you dont see any new players anymore, unless its an alt.  I tell new players to just quit, save your time, this game is not worth it.
    sore one new player today he got too level 12 got smacked by a 44 lost all his base toon and said he would have to be a millionaire to play this game and quit on the spot
  • Ulrich Wastian
    Ulrich Wastian
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    Yes - the game is a grind
    the grind is mainly due to the lack of variety because too few different bases are active at the same time! always doing the same thing is boring ...
    if older bases come, then all at once, why? and today, Shadow Ops, Thorium bases, Metal / Oil Bases and Intel Bases and nothing else. people it's weekend we have time now, and diversion is in demand! anything else is better than always doing the same, even if you do not need the result! and who does it harm if one or two different old bases come on the map? no matter what, which is important, it's fun ...

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  • TomBrooklyn
    TomBrooklyn
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    No - the game is not a grind
    Ulrich Wastian said: ...and who does it harm if one or two different old bases come on the map?
    ^^^

    I want to change my answer to YES.

    Getting res for worker and upgrades has become very repetitive.    Not that I want that part of the game to become challenging.   There are enough things to do besides collecting res already.

    Combined with the slow response of the game and the disconnects every five or ten minutes when attacking multiple res bases, collecting res becomes unbearable.    The solution most of the time is to do the bare minimum and get out of the game, with an eye to reducing play overall.

  • Deacons
    Deacons
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    Yes - the game is a grind
    Ulrich Wastian said: ...and who does it harm if one or two different old bases come on the map?
    ^^^

    I want to change my answer to YES.

    Getting res for worker and upgrades has become very repetitive.    Not that I want that part of the game to become challenging.   There are enough things to do besides collecting res already.

    Combined with the slow response of the game and the disconnects every five or ten minutes when attacking multiple res bases, collecting res becomes unbearable.    The solution most of the time is to do the bare minimum and get out of the game, with an eye to reducing play overall.
    they think if they make everything cost a load of res or have to do bases over and over to gain a unit or tech we will spend more time playing the game where in reality we just think fk it i cant be arsed and log off . will they ever realise this game was built for pvp and the last 40,000 players if there is that many left are hoping pvp will return . 
  • gao.jeff3-trade.tf
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  • Joeybagadoughnuts
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    Question for the community. What does everyone do typically during an average day of War Commander. Be as specific as you can please. 
    hijacked POLL ..But anyways ..Login check Upgrades ,fill up reso ...say hello all and say good bye ... maybe 1 hour every other day
  • XjjjjjjjX
    XjjjjjjjX
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    edited 22 Nov 2017, 12:58PM
    Yes - the game is a grind
    Fed up with Faction units.  These were not invented to make the game more interesting for us.  They were invented so as Kixeye could make 3 times the revenue.  You now need 3 different units for air / vehicle / infantry.  That means 3 times the effort / "grind" and coining to keep these units maxed.  You need to create platoons how kixeye want them not how you want them, you cannot not do challenge bases if you don't have the relevant unit.  I've got enough to remember in this game without the need to create units for kixeye challenge bases.

    So this for me means I slowly fall behind with unit strength, because I don't collect the relevant tokens and  cannot not do events so I drift away from the game as I become weaker.

    Please drop the whole Faction thing.

    (I'm a level 43 with 5 years game play no longer coining this broken game.)


    Where has everyone gone?  Kixeye think about what you're doing.
  • Axel L
    Axel L
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    Yes - the game is a grind
    XjjjjjjjX said:
    Fed up with Faction units.  These were not invented to make the game more interesting for us.  They were invented so as Kixeye could make 3 times the revenue.  You now need 3 different units for air / vehicle / infantry.  That means 3 times the effort / "grind" and coining to keep these units maxed.  You need to create platoons how kixeye want them not how you want them, you cannot not do challenge bases if you don't have the relevant unit.  I've got enough to remember in this game without the need to create units for kixeye challenge bases.

    So this for me means I slowly fall behind with unit strength, because I don't collect the relevant tokens and  cannot not do events so I drift away from the game as I become weaker.

    Please drop the whole Faction thing.

    (I'm a level 43 with 5 years game play no longer coining this broken game.)


    The general purpose of the factions is to allow the players to specialize in order to get slight gameplay advantages. However, the issue you are describing is that there is faction tracks only for one faction which means you have to adept to different factions in order to compete in the events. Kixeye could actually just solve this by removing the faction track from the events or to make us allowed to use units from all 3 factions so we have the option to take advantage of the faction buff.

    Many of the farming elements has been reduced by kixeye in recent time like farming vXP for units in order to rank them up and reduction in general amount of upgrades for buildings and units. However, the forced farming has instead increased on the other side of the spectrum with upgrading the elite units and unlocking them which is one of the biggest farming aspects when playing the game.

    Finally, I must also add that the faction training token system has actually been more successful than what we as a community expected and it achieves the same purpose as Veteran upgrades for the older units (level 11-15) which only increased the damage and health every so slightly.
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  • nametagg0
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    edited 22 Nov 2017, 5:08PM
    Yes - the game is a grind

    @XjjjjjjjX said:
    Fed up with Faction units.  These were not invented to make the game more interesting for us.  They were invented so as Kixeye could make 3 times the revenue.  You now need 3 different units for air / vehicle / infantry.  That means 3 times the effort / "grind" and coining to keep these units maxed.  You need to create platoons how kixeye want them not how you want them, you cannot not do challenge bases if you don't have the relevant unit.  I've got enough to remember in this game without the need to create units for kixeye challenge bases.

    So this for me means I slowly fall behind with unit strength, because I don't collect the relevant tokens and  cannot not do events so I drift away from the game as I become weaker.

    Please drop the whole Faction thing.

    (I'm a level 43 with 5 years game play no longer coining this broken game.)

    All you really need is level 10 for your regular units. Unique and hero's are what you really need parts and tokens for other than key tech parts. (until gen ll in which lvls 5 and 15 become milestones)

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    "the optimist looks up and loses his footing.
      the pessimist looks down and loses the path
      the strategist looks forward and adjusts accordingly" 
  • Charles6744
    Charles6744
    Incursion Leader
    Joined Aug 2013 Posts: 1,222
    Yes - the game is a grind
      Of course this game is a grind.  Kixeye has to keep adding things to the game to keep us playing.  If they didn't add new content to the game the players would get bored and leave.  And if we don't do certain bases we will fall behind.

     If we don't do Medal Bases we won't be able to get any of the Hero Tech. 
     No Raid Bases means no Diamond Tech. 
     No Shadow Ops Bases means we don't get the new Shadow Ops unit and no tech for the newest unit. 
     No Token bases means our units can't be upgraded any higher.
     No Intel Bases you can't do the Raid Bases.

      So if anybody who says that this game is not a grind either doesn't play it that much, has others do the work for them or is a Kixeye employee.
  • Deacons
    Deacons
    Strike-force Captain
    Joined Aug 2012 Posts: 817
    Yes - the game is a grind
      Of course this game is a grind.  Kixeye has to keep adding things to the game to keep us playing.  If they didn't add new content to the game the players would get bored and leave.  And if we don't do certain bases we will fall behind.

     If we don't do Medal Bases we won't be able to get any of the Hero Tech. 
     No Raid Bases means no Diamond Tech. 
     No Shadow Ops Bases means we don't get the new Shadow Ops unit and no tech for the newest unit. 
     No Token bases means our units can't be upgraded any higher.
     No Intel Bases you can't do the Raid Bases.

      So if anybody who says that this game is not a grind either doesn't play it that much, has others do the work for them or is a Kixeye employee.
    people are leaving because of all you said not because they would get bored with out doing all the bases. years ago when there was just one event every couple of months there were 4 million monthly users who would play pvp mostly and take a welcome break for the event. people have left because you have to be full time player with no job or spend a fortune to stay up to date. seems kix are just digging a bigger hole and losing players in it all the time
  • Bazza-64
    Bazza-64
    Potential Threat
    Joined Feb 2015 Posts: 30
    Yes - the game is a grind
    I'm done with this game now, kixeye is clearly not listening to players, still more units, more events than ever, i'm finding that i have had to spend a lot of time doing these events to try and keep up, now got to the point where i'm fed up, been in the game for over 4 years and have seen a lot of my friends disappear, i'm just about to join them. Thanks Kixeye, you guys really dont have a clue.
  • GriffenMissle
    GriffenMissle
    Minor Nuisance
    Joined Aug 2012 Posts: 122
    Totally agree. Grind. Grind. Grind. 
    War Commander - lvl 42, PVP is dead, only do events cause hackers pop up like pansies.
    Battle Pirates - quit
    Vega Conflict - quit
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