GRIND?

  • SmokinNevilsHze
    SmokinNevilsHze
    Skilled Warrior
    Joined Mar 2013 Posts: 467
    edited 12 Oct 2017, 3:53PM
    Yes - the game is a grind
    Lets see what WT says when 99% say its a grind
    What I say: I agree that it feels like too much of a grind at the moment and I don't think that's good.

    However, part of the problem is that, while there may be alignment in the experience is grindy, not everyone is going to 100% agree about what we should cut.  That is: if the solution is to have less stuff to do, we would need to agree on what to remove before taking more action.

    Some of the activities you list provide alternate means of getting the same thing, so that if you don't want to do it one way, you can do it another way.  Training Tokens, for example, can be earned in 4 ways (Faction Bases, Bonus Bases, Event, Invasion), so you don't have to do all of them, instead you can do just one or two, depending on your tastes.

    I would break activities in to two categories.
    • Essential: Needed to Keep Progressing in the Game
      • Monthly Event
        • Lastest Standard Units and Tons of Catch-Up Content
        • Completion Earns Training 
      • Shadow Ops
        • Latest Unique and Latest Tech
      • Metal/Oil Bases
        • Upgrade Your Base
      • Thor Bases
        • Build Current Units
    • Optional
      • Gear Store: Medals
        • Earn Medals to purchase Heroic Tech and to flesh out your platoons with units and tech by doing 1 or more of the following...
          • Challenge Bases
          • Invasion
          • PvP
      • Advanced Unit Progression
        • Earn Tokens to push your units past the competition by doing 1 or more of the following...
          • Faction Bases
          • Monthly Bonus Base
          • Invasion
          • Alliance Raids (for Legendary Units)
        • Earn Diamond Tech to boost the power of your favorite unit types by gathering Intel and completing Raids with your Alliance.
      • Boss Base
        • Get ahead on the next power tier of the most powerful units.
      • Unique Bases
        • Catch up with Uniques you might have missed (obviously not needed if you don't need or want that Unique).
      • Weapons Lab Resources
        • Temporarily bolster your defense, if you feel you it (not needed if you feel your defenses are good enough).
      • Special Events
        • Sometimes we do special stuff, like the Fire Tech Bases or Warpath to help mix things up.  The amount in which you participate in these activities is largely up to you.
    Is this a lot of things?  Yes.  But you can easily opt out of about 60% of it if you feel over burdened.  If you want to get ahead, you can still opt out of maybe 25% of it.  If you want to be the absolute most powerful player in the whole world, then yes... you have to do all of it.  But not everyone can or SHOULD be that.

    For what it's worth, we are going to try to streamline and consolidate some things over the next few months, which should be a step in the direction you want, but the game is less of a grind even now... if you don't try to do everything.  If you just want to stay current, you can get away with less.
    Hey WT, different options/paths to earn the same things is a good thing, some ways may suite some and other ways suite others, I also think variety is a good thing and I like there being such variety and having different or new things to do so personally don't like the idea of taking activities out but I do think you can alleviate the grind in much more simple ways.

    - Boost the value/worth of Rogues for res (the extra time we now need to spend now we have lost our 7 day economy war effort is noticeable, it's now +30% more time consuming than what we got used to with it)

    - Reduce the number of Elite/Omega parts needed (30 & 60 maybe?)

    - Increase the drop rates of Tech items (Doesn't need to be big, enough to allow us to spend a little less time on each Unit Base and considering we now have Tech bases for almost all current and relevant units, i'm sure if we can spend 5%-10% less time on each then we will notice)

    - Give us some medals base days that are worth x2 from time to time

    - Don't overprice novelty tech that will only be useful for a month (especially at a time when Gear store has had lots of new and expensive techs added)

    It's true that we have many activities, alot, that's a good thing imho, Kudos to the team for that part WT (y)

    How much time is needed for each activity is the true grind, please please do focus on that and don't cut our variety.





  • JamesHowlett
    JamesHowlett
    Unicorn Overlord
    Joined Feb 2013 Posts: 5,000
    Yes - the game is a grind
    Lets see what WT says when 99% say its a grind
    What I say: I agree that it feels like too much of a grind at the moment and I don't think that's good.

    However, part of the problem is that, while there may be alignment in the experience is grindy, not everyone is going to 100% agree about what we should cut.  That is: if the solution is to have less stuff to do, we would need to agree on what to remove before taking more action.

    Some of the activities you list provide alternate means of getting the same thing, so that if you don't want to do it one way, you can do it another way.  Training Tokens, for example, can be earned in 4 ways (Faction Bases, Bonus Bases, Event, Invasion), so you don't have to do all of them, instead you can do just one or two, depending on your tastes.

    I would break activities in to two categories.
    • Essential: Needed to Keep Progressing in the Game
      • Monthly Event
        • Lastest Standard Units and Tons of Catch-Up Content
        • Completion Earns Training 
      • Shadow Ops
        • Latest Unique and Latest Tech
      • Metal/Oil Bases
        • Upgrade Your Base
      • Thor Bases
        • Build Current Units

    And that list right there is enough of a grind in and of itself.  Add the rest of the stuff and well...We know why player counts are decreasing.
    Daisy's!  I'm pushing up Daisy's!  Cause everyone loves Daisy's!  Everything is perfect in this game and I love Daisy's
  • Whiskey-Tango3
    Whiskey-Tango3
    Skilled Warrior
    Joined Feb 2013 Posts: 368
    i miss the kleptos. wish those would come back and get rid of this other nonsense it gives now
  • loner23
    loner23
    Minor Nuisance
    Joined Mar 2013 Posts: 187
    Yes - the game is a grind
    Lets see what WT says when 99% say its a grind
    What I say: I agree that it feels like too much of a grind at the moment and I don't think that's good.

    However, part of the problem is that, while there may be alignment in the experience is grindy, not everyone is going to 100% agree about what we should cut.  That is: if the solution is to have less stuff to do, we would need to agree on what to remove before taking more action.


    While I give you credit for even replying to this post your response does beg the question ... why keep adding stuff as you have done if you admit its a grind and if now you say you are about to streamline? Why does it sound as if you are going to drop the easy stuff and keep the **** grind fest stuff? 

    Seriously.
    Good question.  To some degree, we add stuff in to try and make sure the right systems and options are in the game.  Sometimes we can't remove or adjust old systems until the new ones are in place or we end up with people not being able to get the content they need to progress.  This does result in stuff bloating out a bit before we can bring it things back in to focus (with that focus being on what is most successful).
    As a high level player I need to do everything listed to stay current in the game, why not at least make these extra bases contain large amounts of res and some thor to reduce the daily grind ?   
    I agree the shadow ops or event bases above 30 should start having more RES in them and maybe a few extra goodies. So many bases I see lv 70 or higher and they have D*** for res ( btw thats an MICRO D amount of res, Yeah ..... ... Kixeye. Fill in the blank, cheap skates. ) 
  • loner23
    loner23
    Minor Nuisance
    Joined Mar 2013 Posts: 187
    edited 14 Oct 2017, 10:19PM
    Yes - the game is a grind
    I must say here is an example of an painstaking nightmare for those trying to take their **** units to oMega status : 

    Doing an omega base just to get 1x Part ( using Omega Jug base as an example ) Is horsechit, esp if one must take 4hrs repair time on air. I hate the Lotto system and I think getting one parts is Horsechit when you need 80 parts. **** not even 2x parts for the base is Acceptable. at the least you should get is 2-3 parts. I would perfer 3x parts, fk this 1x parts B.S. 

    **** In all actuality, I would perfer 4x parts minimum from Omega bases ( 3x parts is an odd number and therefore does not divide into 80 evenly. 
  • ANYSOLLEY
    ANYSOLLEY
    Potential Threat
    Joined Sep 2013 Posts: 54

    Okey let me just say that:It is War Commander and not Upgrade Commander or Reso/Token Commander. I play this Game to have some fun in PvP and not for getting reso. so make this game worth playing again or you'll lose all your Players. Because I could easily play Farmviöle right now,looks like the same at the moment. We aren't online 24h a day to get all that useless stuff. Reduce Repairtime and go back to the 5s Upgrades (Toons and Buildings) Greez Tweety

  • DOBBA PHOENIX
    DOBBA PHOENIX
    WC Mod
    Joined Oct 2012 Posts: 626
    Question for the community. What does everyone do typically during an average day of War Commander. Be as specific as you can please. 
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  • IronCorps
    IronCorps
    Strike-force Captain
    Joined Mar 2015 Posts: 884
    Yes - the game is a grind
    loner23 said:
    Lets see what WT says when 99% say its a grind
    What I say: I agree that it feels like too much of a grind at the moment and I don't think that's good.

    However, part of the problem is that, while there may be alignment in the experience is grindy, not everyone is going to 100% agree about what we should cut.  That is: if the solution is to have less stuff to do, we would need to agree on what to remove before taking more action.

    Some of the activities you list provide alternate means of getting the same thing, so that if you don't want to do it one way, you can do it another way.  Training Tokens, for example, can be earned in 4 ways (Faction Bases, Bonus Bases, Event, Invasion), so you don't have to do all of them, instead you can do just one or two, depending on your tastes.

    I would break activities in to two categories.
    • Essential: Needed to Keep Progressing in the Game
      • Monthly Event
        • Lastest Standard Units and Tons of Catch-Up Content
        • Completion Earns Training 
      • Shadow Ops
        • Latest Unique and Latest Tech
      • Metal/Oil Bases
        • Upgrade Your Base
      • Thor Bases
        • Build Current Units
    • Optional
      • Gear Store: Medals
        • Earn Medals to purchase Heroic Tech and to flesh out your platoons with units and tech by doing 1 or more of the following...
          • Challenge Bases
          • Invasion
          • PvP
      • Advanced Unit Progression
        • Earn Tokens to push your units past the competition by doing 1 or more of the following...
          • Faction Bases
          • Monthly Bonus Base
          • Invasion
          • Alliance Raids (for Legendary Units)
        • Earn Diamond Tech to boost the power of your favorite unit types by gathering Intel and completing Raids with your Alliance.
      • Boss Base
        • Get ahead on the next power tier of the most powerful units.
      • Unique Bases
        • Catch up with Uniques you might have missed (obviously not needed if you don't need or want that Unique).
      • Weapons Lab Resources
        • Temporarily bolster your defense, if you feel you it (not needed if you feel your defenses are good enough).
      • Special Events
        • Sometimes we do special stuff, like the Fire Tech Bases or Warpath to help mix things up.  The amount in which you participate in these activities is largely up to you.
    Is this a lot of things?  Yes.  But you can easily opt out of about 60% of it if you feel over burdened.  If you want to get ahead, you can still opt out of maybe 25% of it.  If you want to be the absolute most powerful player in the whole world, then yes... you have to do all of it.  But not everyone can or SHOULD be that.

    For what it's worth, we are going to try to streamline and consolidate some things over the next few months, which should be a step in the direction you want, but the game is less of a grind even now... if you don't try to do everything.  If you just want to stay current, you can get away with less.
    What you're not getting is that WE're tired of the massive Lv 30's and hitting lv 35's for an lousy **** 10-15mill oil/metals. You wanna cut some thing, how about you Make an G.D base that paysout 175 -350 mill in oil and metal  an base as easy as the old HH45's . **** you could even throw in 8 mill thor, and 40k medals. That alone would cut what we hate doing most. 

    Shadow ops could SLOW THE FK down like 2 new units every yr or just cut it out. 

    Weapon Labs items should be cut do so ONLY need to go after Bastion. 

    No more adding to Special Items for the top brass just knock it the Fk off, plz. 

    Alliance Raids Can be cut since you morons cut the time down and now, who the fk has the time? Personally I never had the chance and never will cuz you idiots make everything so **** annoyingly hard that its not worth the **** effort. 

    Payouts accross the board are and always been low, when you idiots only give us an total of 1.1 mill XP from full completion of Event waves, while the meanwhile you make players fall behind every elite parts and omega parts they need is an total 12 million, whats worse is that stupid most hated TOKEN BS you created which is by far the worst. 

    Tokens alone cost an total of 22 million XP ( purchasing stupid tokens from event ) per unit you want to fully max..... thats just fk'n insane, and you idiots cant understand what you did when you were doing it. How about Think ahead of time of the crap you do cuz this chit aint even remotely funny. BTW, 400k XP per token is highway robbery. 

    Perhaps, If tokens, and Res werent an annoyingly an grind fest most hate. Maybe if you idiots did something to remove much of the RES grinding and make it easy to fill up without taking huge dmg... we might have time to do alliance raids, but seriously, with the lack of performance in game, why even bother, WHY DONT YOU just SHUT YOUR GAME DOWN

    YOu secure your Workshop cheaters, meanwhile, you create ten more fk'n problems. Thanks, now players are having issues in upgrading mods, replicating mods. Great job idots. I'm talking strictly about those that honestly upgrade their Unit Mods..... cuz you get that stupid ERROR code 

    ****** Update Note ***** 

    Events should be like Shadow Ops in regards to prizes twice an yr ( thats just 2 new Units per yr ) . I am sick of the constant new units every fk'n month while your game performance gets worse. Plus, I aint got the G.D room in platoon Storage cuz you ignorant **** refuse to Retro-fit ( redefine the space in platoon army capacity size. 40k Room is not enough ROOM. 

    Here's another aspect of the grind which some wont recognize. We've asked for an secondary dozer to reduce much of the BASE upgrade grind. I've not been able to gauge the many days it takes to get things done. Having an second dozer wouldnt hurt kixeye. as it would be an nice gesture in relieving the long upgrade times. 

    Here's another thing I am irritated about, Thanks for the 3rd helipad, but serously, I speak for those that could use at least an 4k -6k AIRCraft Platoon size for helipad and airfield ( NOT talking about Air deployment limit ). You idiots seem to think 3 K room is enough space for 3 air squadrons ( yeah maybe if you dont have phantom, Titan, SS, blackout ) 

    I dont think we would have needed an 3rd Helipad, but still it would have been reasonable to have assuming one air squadron for each faction. However for main aircraft toon 3k room is not enough **** room for The heavy air units like phantom, blackout, herald...etc plus whatever air you decide to use in that toon. 


    Gear Store grinding, is an other aspect in which you guys drop way too many techs and units to grind for. Chillax da fk down some, not all of us want to grind just cuz you put things in gear shop. 
    I mean thanks for giving us chances to get VXP gold tech but you dont take into consideration of what you asking us to do which contributes to the grind, SO I guess just not the FK off with this LAST chance crap. What would be nice is you decided which Techs you wanted to grant chances to earn for that month without over-burdening us with too many choices, though I am indifferent cuz I dont mean to cause an under-opportunity for there being not enough tech in the gear shop. 

    More specificially, if its new hero tech why you drop 3 or more techs for heros knowing you are demanding us to grind for you LOW fk'n payout of medal bases? ITs too **** much. At least one tech would be reasonable. However people are getting tired of not being able to save up enough medals cuz you put too much chit in the gear shop expecting or hoping we want to play your mind games. Chill the fk out will you? 

    Brings me to say Medal bases should payout more just like everything else that was low paid out..... You guys increase the difficulty and never make things worth the while. Thats like if players started making you kixeye work your **** off for an dollar when we know that is insufficient to your greed.  Its the same when you make everything such an pain in the **** to do in game. EX; medal base payout is HORSECHIT, so therefore I have always been about medals bases paying out more, just like I am about and for Thor bases vk50 paying 15mill thor, vk65 payout 30 mill thor, and finally vk 80 paying out 80 m Thor. 

    Speaking of which, Unit upgrades and unit builds and including unit mods costs are an bit high they too also add to the grind. How about you morons start either cutting down the costs of said chit or increase payouts across the board, cuz I am tired of the low payout horse crap. 15k per medal 90 base = not worth it. 

    One more thing just cuz if you decide to raise the payout charts all accross the **** board, dont go increasing the costs for this said things cuz if you want to remove much of the **** annoying grind then fk'n listen for Chirst's sakes. its not Fk'n rocket science. 


    You removing much of the grind would definitely, end most of my complaints about this game. 


    I don't think the second dozer will ever happen. But everything else you said was spot on. Great post!
  • DOBBA PHOENIX
    DOBBA PHOENIX
    WC Mod
    Joined Oct 2012 Posts: 626
    IronCorps said:
    loner23 said:
    Lets see what WT says when 99% say its a grind
    What I say: I agree that it feels like too much of a grind at the moment and I don't think that's good.

    However, part of the problem is that, while there may be alignment in the experience is grindy, not everyone is going to 100% agree about what we should cut.  That is: if the solution is to have less stuff to do, we would need to agree on what to remove before taking more action.

    Some of the activities you list provide alternate means of getting the same thing, so that if you don't want to do it one way, you can do it another way.  Training Tokens, for example, can be earned in 4 ways (Faction Bases, Bonus Bases, Event, Invasion), so you don't have to do all of them, instead you can do just one or two, depending on your tastes.

    I would break activities in to two categories.
    • Essential: Needed to Keep Progressing in the Game
      • Monthly Event
        • Lastest Standard Units and Tons of Catch-Up Content
        • Completion Earns Training 
      • Shadow Ops
        • Latest Unique and Latest Tech
      • Metal/Oil Bases
        • Upgrade Your Base
      • Thor Bases
        • Build Current Units
    • Optional
      • Gear Store: Medals
        • Earn Medals to purchase Heroic Tech and to flesh out your platoons with units and tech by doing 1 or more of the following...
          • Challenge Bases
          • Invasion
          • PvP
      • Advanced Unit Progression
        • Earn Tokens to push your units past the competition by doing 1 or more of the following...
          • Faction Bases
          • Monthly Bonus Base
          • Invasion
          • Alliance Raids (for Legendary Units)
        • Earn Diamond Tech to boost the power of your favorite unit types by gathering Intel and completing Raids with your Alliance.
      • Boss Base
        • Get ahead on the next power tier of the most powerful units.
      • Unique Bases
        • Catch up with Uniques you might have missed (obviously not needed if you don't need or want that Unique).
      • Weapons Lab Resources
        • Temporarily bolster your defense, if you feel you it (not needed if you feel your defenses are good enough).
      • Special Events
        • Sometimes we do special stuff, like the Fire Tech Bases or Warpath to help mix things up.  The amount in which you participate in these activities is largely up to you.
    Is this a lot of things?  Yes.  But you can easily opt out of about 60% of it if you feel over burdened.  If you want to get ahead, you can still opt out of maybe 25% of it.  If you want to be the absolute most powerful player in the whole world, then yes... you have to do all of it.  But not everyone can or SHOULD be that.

    For what it's worth, we are going to try to streamline and consolidate some things over the next few months, which should be a step in the direction you want, but the game is less of a grind even now... if you don't try to do everything.  If you just want to stay current, you can get away with less.
    What you're not getting is that WE're tired of the massive Lv 30's and hitting lv 35's for an lousy **** 10-15mill oil/metals. You wanna cut some thing, how about you Make an G.D base that paysout 175 -350 mill in oil and metal  an base as easy as the old HH45's . **** you could even throw in 8 mill thor, and 40k medals. That alone would cut what we hate doing most. 

    Shadow ops could SLOW THE FK down like 2 new units every yr or just cut it out. 

    Weapon Labs items should be cut do so ONLY need to go after Bastion. 

    No more adding to Special Items for the top brass just knock it the Fk off, plz. 

    Alliance Raids Can be cut since you morons cut the time down and now, who the fk has the time? Personally I never had the chance and never will cuz you idiots make everything so **** annoyingly hard that its not worth the **** effort. 

    Payouts accross the board are and always been low, when you idiots only give us an total of 1.1 mill XP from full completion of Event waves, while the meanwhile you make players fall behind every elite parts and omega parts they need is an total 12 million, whats worse is that stupid most hated TOKEN BS you created which is by far the worst. 

    Tokens alone cost an total of 22 million XP ( purchasing stupid tokens from event ) per unit you want to fully max..... thats just fk'n insane, and you idiots cant understand what you did when you were doing it. How about Think ahead of time of the crap you do cuz this chit aint even remotely funny. BTW, 400k XP per token is highway robbery. 

    Perhaps, If tokens, and Res werent an annoyingly an grind fest most hate. Maybe if you idiots did something to remove much of the RES grinding and make it easy to fill up without taking huge dmg... we might have time to do alliance raids, but seriously, with the lack of performance in game, why even bother, WHY DONT YOU just SHUT YOUR GAME DOWN

    YOu secure your Workshop cheaters, meanwhile, you create ten more fk'n problems. Thanks, now players are having issues in upgrading mods, replicating mods. Great job idots. I'm talking strictly about those that honestly upgrade their Unit Mods..... cuz you get that stupid ERROR code 

    ****** Update Note ***** 

    Events should be like Shadow Ops in regards to prizes twice an yr ( thats just 2 new Units per yr ) . I am sick of the constant new units every fk'n month while your game performance gets worse. Plus, I aint got the G.D room in platoon Storage cuz you ignorant **** refuse to Retro-fit ( redefine the space in platoon army capacity size. 40k Room is not enough ROOM. 

    Here's another aspect of the grind which some wont recognize. We've asked for an secondary dozer to reduce much of the BASE upgrade grind. I've not been able to gauge the many days it takes to get things done. Having an second dozer wouldnt hurt kixeye. as it would be an nice gesture in relieving the long upgrade times. 

    Here's another thing I am irritated about, Thanks for the 3rd helipad, but serously, I speak for those that could use at least an 4k -6k AIRCraft Platoon size for helipad and airfield ( NOT talking about Air deployment limit ). You idiots seem to think 3 K room is enough space for 3 air squadrons ( yeah maybe if you dont have phantom, Titan, SS, blackout ) 

    I dont think we would have needed an 3rd Helipad, but still it would have been reasonable to have assuming one air squadron for each faction. However for main aircraft toon 3k room is not enough **** room for The heavy air units like phantom, blackout, herald...etc plus whatever air you decide to use in that toon. 


    Gear Store grinding, is an other aspect in which you guys drop way too many techs and units to grind for. Chillax da fk down some, not all of us want to grind just cuz you put things in gear shop. 
    I mean thanks for giving us chances to get VXP gold tech but you dont take into consideration of what you asking us to do which contributes to the grind, SO I guess just not the FK off with this LAST chance crap. What would be nice is you decided which Techs you wanted to grant chances to earn for that month without over-burdening us with too many choices, though I am indifferent cuz I dont mean to cause an under-opportunity for there being not enough tech in the gear shop. 

    More specificially, if its new hero tech why you drop 3 or more techs for heros knowing you are demanding us to grind for you LOW fk'n payout of medal bases? ITs too **** much. At least one tech would be reasonable. However people are getting tired of not being able to save up enough medals cuz you put too much chit in the gear shop expecting or hoping we want to play your mind games. Chill the fk out will you? 

    Brings me to say Medal bases should payout more just like everything else that was low paid out..... You guys increase the difficulty and never make things worth the while. Thats like if players started making you kixeye work your **** off for an dollar when we know that is insufficient to your greed.  Its the same when you make everything such an pain in the **** to do in game. EX; medal base payout is HORSECHIT, so therefore I have always been about medals bases paying out more, just like I am about and for Thor bases vk50 paying 15mill thor, vk65 payout 30 mill thor, and finally vk 80 paying out 80 m Thor. 

    Speaking of which, Unit upgrades and unit builds and including unit mods costs are an bit high they too also add to the grind. How about you morons start either cutting down the costs of said chit or increase payouts across the board, cuz I am tired of the low payout horse crap. 15k per medal 90 base = not worth it. 

    One more thing just cuz if you decide to raise the payout charts all accross the **** board, dont go increasing the costs for this said things cuz if you want to remove much of the **** annoying grind then fk'n listen for Chirst's sakes. its not Fk'n rocket science. 


    You removing much of the grind would definitely, end most of my complaints about this game. 


    I don't think the second dozer will ever happen. But everything else you said was spot on. Great post!
    We  kind of got a "second dozer" in that we can now change rockets, turrets, etc without our real dozer lol
    Test
  • nametagg0
    nametagg0
    Strike-force Captain
    Joined Jan 2016 Posts: 894
    Yes - the game is a grind

    @DOBBA PHOENIX said:
    Question for the community. What does everyone do typically during an average day of War Commander. Be as specific as you can please. 

    Day 1-repair dead units
    Day 2 Thor bases (50s and 80s)
    Day 3 PvP against lvl 40+s invading sector
    Day 4 unique bases (jugg, fire tech, or otherwise)
    Day 5+6set up upgrades to be done throughout week
    Day 7 can't play because of a work policy

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  • loner23
    loner23
    Minor Nuisance
    Joined Mar 2013 Posts: 187
    Yes - the game is a grind
    IronCorps said:
    loner23 said:

    What you're not getting is that WE're tired of the massive Lv 30's and hitting lv 35's for an lousy **** 10-15mill oil/metals. You wanna cut some thing, how about you Make an G.D base that paysout 175 -350 mill in oil and metal  an base as easy as the old HH45's . **** you could even throw in 8 mill thor, and 40k medals. That alone would cut what we hate doing most. 

    Shadow ops could SLOW THE FK down like 2 new units every yr or just cut it out. 

    Weapon Labs items should be cut do so ONLY need to go after Bastion. 

    No more adding to Special Items for the top brass just knock it the Fk off, plz. 

    Alliance Raids Can be cut since you morons cut the time down and now, who the fk has the time? Personally I never had the chance and never will cuz you idiots make everything so **** annoyingly hard that its not worth the **** effort. 

    Payouts accross the board are and always been low, when you idiots only give us an total of 1.1 mill XP from full completion of Event waves, while the meanwhile you make players fall behind every elite parts and omega parts they need is an total 12 million, whats worse is that stupid most hated TOKEN BS you created which is by far the worst. 

    Tokens alone cost an total of 22 million XP ( purchasing stupid tokens from event ) per unit you want to fully max..... thats just fk'n insane, and you idiots cant understand what you did when you were doing it. How about Think ahead of time of the crap you do cuz this chit aint even remotely funny. BTW, 400k XP per token is highway robbery. 

    Perhaps, If tokens, and Res werent an annoyingly an grind fest most hate. Maybe if you idiots did something to remove much of the RES grinding and make it easy to fill up without taking huge dmg... we might have time to do alliance raids, but seriously, with the lack of performance in game, why even bother, WHY DONT YOU just SHUT YOUR GAME DOWN

    YOu secure your Workshop cheaters, meanwhile, you create ten more fk'n problems. Thanks, now players are having issues in upgrading mods, replicating mods. Great job idots. I'm talking strictly about those that honestly upgrade their Unit Mods..... cuz you get that stupid ERROR code 

    ****** Update Note ***** 

    Events should be like Shadow Ops in regards to prizes twice an yr ( thats just 2 new Units per yr ) . I am sick of the constant new units every fk'n month while your game performance gets worse. Plus, I aint got the G.D room in platoon Storage cuz you ignorant **** refuse to Retro-fit ( redefine the space in platoon army capacity size. 40k Room is not enough ROOM. 

    Here's another aspect of the grind which some wont recognize. We've asked for an secondary dozer to reduce much of the BASE upgrade grind. I've not been able to gauge the many days it takes to get things done. Having an second dozer wouldnt hurt kixeye. as it would be an nice gesture in relieving the long upgrade times. 

    Here's another thing I am irritated about, Thanks for the 3rd helipad, but serously, I speak for those that could use at least an 4k -6k AIRCraft Platoon size for helipad and airfield ( NOT talking about Air deployment limit ). You idiots seem to think 3 K room is enough space for 3 air squadrons ( yeah maybe if you dont have phantom, Titan, SS, blackout ) 

    I dont think we would have needed an 3rd Helipad, but still it would have been reasonable to have assuming one air squadron for each faction. However for main aircraft toon 3k room is not enough **** room for The heavy air units like phantom, blackout, herald...etc plus whatever air you decide to use in that toon. 


    Gear Store grinding, is an other aspect in which you guys drop way too many techs and units to grind for. Chillax da fk down some, not all of us want to grind just cuz you put things in gear shop. 
    I mean thanks for giving us chances to get VXP gold tech but you dont take into consideration of what you asking us to do which contributes to the grind, SO I guess just not the FK off with this LAST chance crap. What would be nice is you decided which Techs you wanted to grant chances to earn for that month without over-burdening us with too many choices, though I am indifferent cuz I dont mean to cause an under-opportunity for there being not enough tech in the gear shop. 

    More specificially, if its new hero tech why you drop 3 or more techs for heros knowing you are demanding us to grind for you LOW fk'n payout of medal bases? ITs too **** much. At least one tech would be reasonable. However people are getting tired of not being able to save up enough medals cuz you put too much chit in the gear shop expecting or hoping we want to play your mind games. Chill the fk out will you? 

    Brings me to say Medal bases should payout more just like everything else that was low paid out..... You guys increase the difficulty and never make things worth the while. Thats like if players started making you kixeye work your **** off for an dollar when we know that is insufficient to your greed.  Its the same when you make everything such an pain in the **** to do in game. EX; medal base payout is HORSECHIT, so therefore I have always been about medals bases paying out more, just like I am about and for Thor bases vk50 paying 15mill thor, vk65 payout 30 mill thor, and finally vk 80 paying out 80 m Thor. 

    Speaking of which, Unit upgrades and unit builds and including unit mods costs are an bit high they too also add to the grind. How about you morons start either cutting down the costs of said chit or increase payouts across the board, cuz I am tired of the low payout horse crap. 15k per medal 90 base = not worth it. 

    One more thing just cuz if you decide to raise the payout charts all accross the **** board, dont go increasing the costs for this said things cuz if you want to remove much of the **** annoying grind then fk'n listen for Chirst's sakes. its not Fk'n rocket science. 


    You removing much of the grind would definitely, end most of my complaints about this game. 


    I don't think the second dozer will ever happen. But everything else you said was spot on. Great post!
    Second Dozer is to clear or help in the LONG and MANY upgrades one must do The scenic ROUTE way ( taking the long way to do stupid Base upgrades. Granted I understand that an second dozer will feel like an grind to keep both going but one cant complain if its an relief effort, but you are right and it seems they refuse it as like they going to lose that much more money if they did do it. 

    Some idiots, will say they will lose money, but having one DOZER sure isnt gonna make me coin an base building upgrade. Besides I think they should be more focused on what one would coin for ( Repairs from war, repairs from event, maybe even repairs from non-prized content that offers some real entertainment than what we have now which is BORING **** storyline thats READ only and it creates laggy gameplay, might even add unstable gameplay. 


  • loner23
    loner23
    Minor Nuisance
    Joined Mar 2013 Posts: 187
    Yes - the game is a grind

    I don't think the second dozer will ever happen. But everything else you said was spot on. Great post!
    We  kind of got a "second dozer" in that we can now change rockets, turrets, etc without our real dozer lol
    NOT what most that asking for an second dozer are asking for. Turrets and Rockets arent what concerned me. You might think its funny, but I am not laughing. 


    My purpose and need for an second dozer is very needed, so I can chew through the stupid RES storage and thorium Upgrades while I have the other Dozer or main dozer doing More important Base upgrades. 

    The only reason they dont want to do it is cuz they are lazy Fk's that feel its too much of an good thing and have their own objections to it. Reason why they only gave us the ability that turrets and things you stated dont need the dozer to set or set rockets. Does it make it our second dozer? **** no it dont? Can it upgrade my turret Platforms or heavy platforms? Can it get my Bunkers lv'd up with the dozer? Can it do my stupid res Storages and thor vaults without my dozer? FK no it doesnt, so there fore is not an second dozer. 
  • IronCorps
    IronCorps
    Strike-force Captain
    Joined Mar 2015 Posts: 884
    Yes - the game is a grind
    You're gonna take away Variety/Options from us, leave the damned lottery that everyone has hated forever with it's inconsistent, unfair and flawed logarithms, no change to how much time you expect us to give up for a SINGLE activity so we'll still need to eat the same dish til vomiting again and again and again and that's a solution? It's not, nor is telling people they don't need to do everything, you of all people should know how this works, we're essentially in an arms race in this game and if we don't keep up then everything becomes more difficult and time consuming, it's a slippery **** and with the extreme amount of time that Kixeye expects us to give up already, no one wants to need to spend MORE time so of course everyone feels the need to do as much as they can manage. And this is a mentality that you Kixeye, breed in the minds of your players with your pacing of activities so to tell them they don't need to do everything is do as I say don't do as I do type of thing. Your pacing makes people 'feel' a sense of urgency, your doing, but you 'say' you don't need to do everything, you're projecting mixed messages.

    Whatever did happen to the 'slow down' of content that was promised so long ago? It hasn't been forgotten, well, not by the playerbase, I can't speak for Kixeye
    One thing I would like to touch on was where you talked about Kixeye setting a pace. I agree 100%. When Kixeye sets a pace, they create anxiety in the players which results in this desperate need to keep up and therefore grind. This is just wrong. If they would reduce the lottery system and STOP MAKING EVERYTHING "LAST CHANCE" IN THE GEAR STORE, players would feel a lot less pressure to grind. Also, Diamond Tech and Heroic Tech need to be made more available.
  • Steel123
    Steel123
    Skilled Warrior
    Joined Aug 2014 Posts: 370
    Yes - the game is a grind
    Going threw 100s of the SAME base is completely demotivating & not getting ALL the rare tech after a certain amount is just so depressing that you want to quit. Same situation with the frustration of doing Omega bases to get parts. I'm sure a lot more people would complete the bases even coin a little if they were getting 3/4 parts per base! I almost give doing omega bases if i get a huge string of 1,1,1,1,1,1, after two drops & say hey this stuff isn't worth it anymore
  • loner23
    loner23
    Minor Nuisance
    Joined Mar 2013 Posts: 187
    Yes - the game is a grind


    Well said bro. Well said. I left my daily online routine as of all the grind. IE.: To get all the techs for new unit from shadow ops, you got to do it 40-120times, thats just insane. To keep new units in good combat condition you need to get tokens, and here we go again you cant do just few bases like 3-5 and be happy, you need to repeat them hundreds time as first of you get random(fking lotto system) token and you need **** loads of them and most units we dont give a fk about. Then on top you need res, thor, parts and more more all you get from each base is just few bits. Thats why ive decided to stop playing after many yrs.

    Need more than just an "SLOW - Down " of new units and mods, need something more like an "dead - Halt " of new units and mods and tokens. Just saying. 

    Something that only gives us 1-2 units an yr while still allowing players to play events to catch up on all the crap out there. 

    ****, I would be for AN re-vamp for Elite/Omega Units for Ronin, Inferno, Growler, BFGX, Archangel, SF heroes, SF infantry ( expert Classed accessibility )...... 

    BTW dont need anything more cuz Its not like kixeye gave us an 6 K Air platoon size ( without changing the deployment limit, and they sure seem not to give an bigger Platoon storage ( an cap bigger and better than an lousy 40k ). But we got that crappy **** Armory updates/increase ( something most didnt ask for cuz we wanted increase capacity size in Platoon storage ONLY. Though not to say Armory shouldnt have gotten the updates. It just feels an bit **** backwards to me. 
  • loner23
    loner23
    Minor Nuisance
    Joined Mar 2013 Posts: 187
    Yes - the game is a grind
    Lets see what WT says when 99% say its a grind
    What I say: I agree that it feels like too much of a grind at the moment and I don't think that's good.

    However, part of the problem is that, while there may be alignment in the experience is grindy, not everyone is going to 100% agree about what we should cut.  That is: if the solution is to have less stuff to do, we would need to agree on what to remove before taking more action.

    Some of the activities you list provide alternate means of getting the same thing, so that if you don't want to do it one way, you can do it another way.  Training Tokens, for example, can be earned in 4 ways (Faction Bases, Bonus Bases, Event, Invasion), so you don't have to do all of them, instead you can do just one or two, depending on your tastes.

    I would break activities in to two categories.
    • Essential: Needed to Keep Progressing in the Game
      • Monthly Event
        • Lastest Standard Units and Tons of Catch-Up Content
        • Completion Earns Training 
      • Shadow Ops
        • Latest Unique and Latest Tech
      • Metal/Oil Bases
        • Upgrade Your Base
      • Thor Bases
        • Build Current Units
    • Optional
      • Gear Store: Medals
        • Earn Medals to purchase Heroic Tech and to flesh out your platoons with units and tech by doing 1 or more of the following...
          • Challenge Bases
          • Invasion
          • PvP
      • Advanced Unit Progression
        • Earn Tokens to push your units past the competition by doing 1 or more of the following...
          • Faction Bases
          • Monthly Bonus Base
          • Invasion
          • Alliance Raids (for Legendary Units)
        • Earn Diamond Tech to boost the power of your favorite unit types by gathering Intel and completing Raids with your Alliance.
      • Boss Base
        • Get ahead on the next power tier of the most powerful units.
      • Unique Bases
        • Catch up with Uniques you might have missed (obviously not needed if you don't need or want that Unique).
      • Weapons Lab Resources
        • Temporarily bolster your defense, if you feel you it (not needed if you feel your defenses are good enough).
      • Special Events
        • Sometimes we do special stuff, like the Fire Tech Bases or Warpath to help mix things up.  The amount in which you participate in these activities is largely up to you.
    Is this a lot of things?  Yes.  But you can easily opt out of about 60% of it if you feel over burdened.  If you want to get ahead, you can still opt out of maybe 25% of it.  If you want to be the absolute most powerful player in the whole world, then yes... you have to do all of it.  But not everyone can or SHOULD be that.

    For what it's worth, we are going to try to streamline and consolidate some things over the next few months, which should be a step in the direction you want, but the game is less of a grind even now... if you don't try to do everything.  If you just want to stay current, you can get away with less.
    Hey WT, I have been thinking alot on your reply here and I'll be honest, I find it worrying, your reply clearly shows you do NOT understand this issue, your proposal to remove activities will do absolutely NOTHING positive for WC in ANY shape or form.

    Firstly, you have mistaken 'Grind' and 'Variety' they are NOT the same at all, having a good 'Variety' of activities on WC and enough of a window of opportunity to participate at a convenient time for us is a GREAT thing and Variety could well be the best thing WC has going for it, if not for the new content, game evolving etc etc then most of us would have moved on to other games, im certain of this 100%.

    The 'Grind' that is ALTOGETHER different, the biggest cause of the 'Grind' is how much we need to do a single activity to get the reward on offer, as is, it's extremely tedious and 'Grindy' and with so many activities you took the time to make for us, we would simply like to not need to devote quite as much time to one activity so we can enjoy others. You have given us a feast of variety but it's like you're insisting we stick with the same dish until we are vomiting. 

    You want us to play WC right, you want us to enjoy it too correct? Well listen to us a little bit please, you can so so easily make everything so much less 'Grindy' by slightly adjusting drop rates of rare techs, stop paying out Omega parts in 1's, increasing the value of rogues for res or so many other factors that would actually have an effect on how much time each activity would take and how 'Grindy' WC feels atm. If you want WC to feel less 'Grindy' then these are the areas you need to focus on, stop making us do the same activity until we curse you, less time needed doing a single activity before we feel like we are 'done' is what's needed. (Not a lack or reduction in Variety, I dare anyone to argue that Variety is not a good thing)

    Listing activities with the suggestion that some are removed is either a complete avoidance to deal with the issue of 'Grind' or a fundamental lack of understanding what 'Grind' is or what is causing it in WC. 

    You're gonna take away Variety/Options from us, leave the damned lottery that everyone has hated forever with it's inconsistent, unfair and flawed logarithms, no change to how much time you expect us to give up for a SINGLE activity so we'll still need to eat the same dish til vomiting again and again and again and that's a solution? It's not, nor is telling people they don't need to do everything, you of all people should know how this works, we're essentially in an arms race in this game and if we don't keep up then everything becomes more difficult and time consuming, it's a slippery **** and with the extreme amount of time that Kixeye expects us to give up already, no one wants to need to spend MORE time so of course everyone feels the need to do as much as they can manage. And this is a mentality that you Kixeye, breed in the minds of your players with your pacing of activities so to tell them they don't need to do everything is do as I say don't do as I do type of thing. Your pacing makes people 'feel' a sense of urgency, your doing, but you 'say' you don't need to do everything, you're projecting mixed messages.

    Whatever did happen to the 'slow down' of content that was promised so long ago? It hasn't been forgotten, well, not by the playerbase, I can't speak for Kixeye
    Your points are spot on, but I really dont like the amount of work they drop on us. For instance, getting Omega Jug parts is as aweful as farming grind for OT, OSS, OP ( omega Phantom and Elite Phantom for that matter ), Ojug, Owarpig.... list goes on. 

    Even if Omega base parts dropped 4x parts thats still 20 bases of the same annoying ( using OJug base for example ) repeative bases, still is not fun esp when they seem to keep adding those pesky Acolytes to them ( the ones that patrol ). 

    I think this game needs an new direction for CONTENT. Here is an video of what this game LACKS ( an thing called vision and content that isn't an grind : 








  • Dario Wilkowski
    Dario Wilkowski
    Force to be Reckoned With
    Joined Oct 2012 Posts: 1,713
    edited 15 Oct 2017, 12:50AM
    Yes - the game is a grind
    never going to happ, they need better management team and dev team, they can make way more Cash if they would only listen to 20% of all feedback, and i mean listen to it and not pick it up and change exactly opposite way. But seems they dont understand feedback as they dont play RTS online games. They claim they play WC, but WC is only one average game or even below average Online RTS, they should look at some good one, spend some time there and then re-think what they messed up, apologize community and try do better , but hey dont think so they will ever do so. 
  • IronCorps
    IronCorps
    Strike-force Captain
    Joined Mar 2015 Posts: 884
    Yes - the game is a grind
    never going to happ, they need better management team and dev team, they can make way more Cash if they would only listen to 20% of all feedback, and i mean listen to it and not pick it up and change exactly opposite way. But seems they dont understand feedback as they dont play RTS online games. They claim they play WC, but WC is only one average game or even below average Online RTS, they should look at some good one, spend some time there and then re-think what they messed up, apologize community and try do better , but hey dont think so they will ever do so. 
    I think Kixeye is trying to start a new genre - the RTG (Real Time Grind). lol
  • Battle208
    Battle208
    Minor Nuisance
    Joined Feb 2015 Posts: 182
    Yes - the game is a grind
    Huge Grind but WT will say its all optional you don't have to play an event, Warpath, token bases. But if you miss those bases or events you fall behind and its almost impossible to catch up.
  • Dario Wilkowski
    Dario Wilkowski
    Force to be Reckoned With
    Joined Oct 2012 Posts: 1,713
    Yes - the game is a grind
    Battle208 said:
    Huge Grind but WT will say its all optional you don't have to play an event, Warpath, token bases. But if you miss those bases or events you fall behind and its almost impossible to catch up.
    hehe indeed hehe, whole game is optional , u can stop playing too hehe then and only then we wont have grind
  • gnilpik1
    gnilpik1
    Potential Threat
    Joined Jan 2014 Posts: 29
    Yes - the game is a grind
    Platforms for me right now are a grind. My highest level platform is level 2, even though level 3 is only a 4 hour upgrade, for me, thats an entire day as I work and have limited time. I heard platforms used to be instant upgrades from level 3 up. Why would they change that? There's just too many other things we need to upgrade rather than being bogged down by platforms. Give us instant upgrade again at least for a few levels so new or returning players like me can be relevant.
  • U_N Dan
    U_N Dan
    Strike-force Captain
    Joined May 2013 Posts: 802
    No - the game is not a grind
    dont do the token bases and events to get tokens and there u go the grind problem is solved i dont do that **** at all lvl 10 units is good enough 
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  • mat.thomas.94
    mat.thomas.94
    Greenhorn
    Joined Nov 2013 Posts: 17
    Yes - the game is a grind
    I don't know who Kixeye gets to test this game or which players  feed back they listen to but they are doing a dreadful job. I've seen Kixeye say they have done a good job with a couple of mistakes but TBH it is wrong in my opinion. I'm sorry to say but Kixeye has their heads in the sand on the state of the game and they do not believe us or care about us the players. 
    mat Thomas
  • MF Gothmog
    MF Gothmog
    Potential Threat
    Joined Apr 2013 Posts: 68
    Yes - the game is a grind
    Well I missed Invasion and all the Fire Tech, so I guess the Zombie event is a no show as well.

    I can just feel the Grind slipping away ...
  • Right Thinker
    Right Thinker
    Skilled Warrior
    Joined Mar 2015 Posts: 589
    Yes - the game is a grind
    I'm just here for the zombies. All the stuff I used to care about is just noise to me.
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  • HELLionnnnnnnnnn
    HELLionnnnnnnnnn
    Skilled Warrior
    Joined Jul 2013 Posts: 506
    Yes - the game is a grind
    Octobers Zombie Lag Fest, I'm so Excited!! I can't wait till November when WT will introduce another tech to discuss the Great New and Exciting changes coming up in the new year and appreciating the patience from everyone.


  • Right Thinker
    Right Thinker
    Skilled Warrior
    Joined Mar 2015 Posts: 589
    Yes - the game is a grind
    Octobers Zombie Lag Fest, I'm so Excited!! I can't wait till November when WT will introduce another tech to discuss the Great New and Exciting changes coming up in the new year and appreciating the patience from everyone.


    That sounds like a lag fest I only deal with once a year though. :-)
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