Thane_Thinks #?: Game's as Art

Master of Shadows
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edited 5 Mar 2017, 12:40AM
Credit to Yard for helping me come up with this idea for the topic. So there are alot of great games out there. And many of them are rich in narrative, story, visual design and so on. As gaming technologies evolve and games become larger than ever before, one emerging debate is whether or not games constitute as art.

As games have evolved this question has become debated by many people, and there are alot of reasons for and against. One of the bigger reasons for the argument is how games have striking visuals, deep story, and in some cases, can really making you think hard about life, and real world issues. However, I think one of the against is how games are interactive, whereas most traditional art is not.

However, by most general definitions of art, games could still fit into the mold of being art.
Just googling the definition for example yields the following from Google.

"The expression or application of human creative skill and imagination, typically in a visual form such as painting or sculpture, producing works to be appreciated primarily for their beauty or emotional power."
-Google

By this definition, games would be art as they are expression of human creativity. And its not the only definition out there that could allow games to be considered art. One definition I recall said something along the lines of "art being something that makes you think and feel." This too could be a definition to show games are art.

So, that being said, what does everyone around here think? Are games are, or are they not. And if you do believe in games counting as art, what game personally for you is most artistic? Please give me your thoughts.

Personally, I think games absolutely count as art. Games like Pac-Man can and have become world-famous and are seen as cultural landmarks and icons. Despite the simplicity of it, Pac-Man has is the result of creativity, and is iconic in every sense of the word. Just like other pieces of art.

So, to everyone else here in O_T. Are games art to you?
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  • lomolife1174
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    Even if video games themselves are not considered to be art, they are still mixtures of different types of art. You have employees making music, making the pixel or vector graphics, and creating literature in the form of story plots.

    Now, some people will still argue that video games ≠ art, but the colleges and universities would disagree with them. A Bachelor's Degree or Master's Degree in video game design means you have a Bachelor of the Arts degree or a Master of the Arts degree, so video games are indeed art. You don't see video game design degrees being classified under BS/MS or BBA/MBA, or any other type of Bachelor's/Master's.

    One of the main reasons why I think that some people argue that video games aren't art is because art is supposed to have a positive connotation with it, whereas video games have a polarizing connotation with it. In that case, opinion is clouding one's thought process. 
  • Axel L
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    The first thing I recognize when I hear the word art are paints and sculptures.

    However, there are some weird things that can be defined as art that are even weirder than video games.
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  • Master of Shadows
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    Axel L said:
    The first thing I recognize when I hear the word art are paints and sculptures.

    However, there are some weird things that can be defined as art that are even weirder than video games.
    True. I think I heard something about a urinal being on display at 1 art museum.
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    Axel L said:
    The first thing I recognize when I hear the word art are paints and sculptures.

    However, there are some weird things that can be defined as art that are even weirder than video games.
    True. I think I heard something about a urinal being on display at 1 art museum.
    I think in the Swedish TV series called DrMugg. They did use 4 shades of brown as art. I will find the episode because it's on YouTube but sadly no English translation.

    EDIT:
    Video Found.

    "Drr Mugg fyra nyanser av bajsbrunt"

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  • Initial_Degeneration
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    If i tip a trashcan over...do i create a modern masterpiece?


  • Axel L
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    If i tip a trashcan over...do i create a modern masterpiece?

    That is actually the case. You can sell it for more money than you can fit in your pocket.
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  • Initial_Degeneration
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    interesting...very intersting

  • Master of Shadows
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    If i tip a trashcan over...do i create a modern masterpiece?

    Knowing some "modern art" aficionado's, the answer is probably yes.
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  • Yard
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    If i tip a trashcan over...do i create a modern masterpiece?

    Knowing some "modern art" aficionado's, the answer is probably yes.
    Reasons like this are why I hate modern art.
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  • Axel L
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    Yard said:

    If i tip a trashcan over...do i create a modern masterpiece?

    Knowing some "modern art" aficionado's, the answer is probably yes.
    Reasons like this are why I hate modern art.
    Have you ever tried to discuss the message behind modern art?
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  • Master of Shadows
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    Axel L said:
    Yard said:

    If i tip a trashcan over...do i create a modern masterpiece?

    Knowing some "modern art" aficionado's, the answer is probably yes.
    Reasons like this are why I hate modern art.
    Have you ever tried to discuss the message behind modern art?
    What message? That rich idiots will pay for anything?

    Example:
    Concetto spaziale attese by Lucio Fontana
    This sold for up to $48.3 f*cking million. Yes! This! A painting as basic and simplistic as this sold for more than more most houses worth.
    Fun Fact: It was apparently previously owned Microsoft's Co-Founder, Paul Allen. You'd think a guy like him that helped found arguably the most successful software company of all time would be smarter than that, but whatever I guess.

    Elsewhere, some person paid $5 million for this.

    Ironic huh?
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  • Axel L
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    Axel L said:
    Yard said:

    If i tip a trashcan over...do i create a modern masterpiece?

    Knowing some "modern art" aficionado's, the answer is probably yes.
    Reasons like this are why I hate modern art.
    Have you ever tried to discuss the message behind modern art?
    What message? That rich idiots will pay for anything?

    Example:
    Concetto spaziale attese by Lucio Fontana
    This sold for up to $48.3 f*cking million. Yes! This! A painting as basic and simplistic as this sold for more than more most houses worth.
    Fun Fact: It was apparently previously owned Microsoft's Co-Founder, Paul Allen. You'd think a guy like him that helped found arguably the most successful software company of all time would be smarter than that, but whatever I guess.

    Elsewhere, some person paid $5 million for this.

    Ironic huh?
    It must be a deeper meaning behind it. What do the white stripe in the middle represent?

    This is my attempt to find a modern masterpiece.

    Beat that if you can.

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  • Yard
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    It's times like this where I'm glad I have a basic concept of sarcasm, Axel, because if I didn't I'd be on a flight to Sweden to hit you right now.
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    Yard said:
    It's times like this where I'm glad I have a basic concept of sarcasm, Axel, because if I didn't I'd be on a flight to Sweden to hit you right now.
    Good luck finding me.
    There are a lot of modern art you can stumble across without even noticing it like what I_D said with the trash can.

    In few years, we will not even know what art is.
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  • Master of Shadows
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    edited 8 Mar 2017, 11:04PM
    Yard said:
    It's times like this where I'm glad I have a basic concept of sarcasm, Axel, because if I didn't I'd be on a flight to Sweden to hit you right now.
    Hmm, I get the sense you not quite a modern art fan, are you Yard? Lol.
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  • Master of Shadows
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    Axel L said:
    Thane_Mantis_3 said:
    Elsewhere, some person paid $5 million for this.

    Ironic huh?
    It must be a deeper meaning behind it. What do the white stripe in the middle represent?
    That a fool and his money are easily parted?
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  • Initial_Degeneration
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    this thread is amazing

  • Master of Shadows
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    this thread is amazing
    Needs some dank memes though to liven it up?
    Care to help out with that I_D?
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  • Initial_Degeneration
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    instead of memes ill give you this **** masterpiece! I demand 40,000 schmeckles for it!




  • lomolife1174
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    You wanna see some really bad modern art? 

    *only for people 18 and older*

    Image result for worst of modern art

    There. I warned you. 

  • Yard
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    On the topic of games, the games I consider most artful that I've played are Bioshock and Halo. So there.
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  • Axel L
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    instead of memes ill give you this **** masterpiece! I demand 40,000 schmeckles for it!



    It may be worth millions in few days.

    How long time did it take to create that masterpiece?
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  • Initial_Degeneration
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    it took me years Axel, years of hard work and dedication. Sweat and tears and lots of screaming.


  • Axel L
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    it took me years Axel, years of hard work and dedication. Sweat and tears and lots of screaming.

    You need to print it and frame it so the biggest museums can have it on the walls.
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  • Wyvern The PinkiePie
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    Axel L said:

    If i tip a trashcan over...do i create a modern masterpiece?

    That is actually the case. You can sell it for more money than you can fit in your pocket.
    Which reminds me, one guy put a **** pair of glasses on a stand in a museum and EURBODY nearby thought it was art. o_O

    But on topic, there are a lot of games that have a lot of art put into it, like the Metal Gear series with its cinematic cutscenes.
  • No..Beard
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    https://soundcloud.com/baptiste-bordellier/christopher-tin-baba-yetu-feat is one of the finest pieces of art I have ever encountered in a game.

    It makes me a little happier every time.


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