Predator Submarine Armor Adjustment

  • notor solo
    notor solo
    Greenhorn
    Joined Oct 2011 Posts: 5
    with the use of the subs, the little guy can even the score. you dont release the drac ship so other can use them as new one come available the old one should be release. only the guys that are using cc or been on for a long time can hope of winning events. As you can see the guy must been crying all this time and now enjoying this new adjustment
  • Nereus
    Nereus
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    Joined Dec 2011 Posts: 28
    Here is an idea, how about making the Sonar Special worth a crap. Its a junk special that nobody uses because its JUNK. Leave the Preds alone and fix whats available.
  • Nereus
    Nereus
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    Joined Dec 2011 Posts: 28
    Ever heard of Balance? A ship that you can unlock quite soon in the game that can get instant repaired should not be able to tke out the strongesz ships in the game without damage and if without repairing time

    I have come across may fleets that Preds couldn't touch. Just like having to learn to use subs, you have to learn to kill em.
  • Nereus
    Nereus
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    kingj0n wrote: »
    I doubt its that reason. I mean, come on, get real. This NEEDED to happen and besides, you can still kill practically all salvages without getting hit.

    Adding more base armor to the subs is a wonderful idea.
    It will cause for more thought into attacks, cannot just attack at will without any worry. However, there may still be a problem with this which I wont reveal here.

    You can't attack without worry with subs, I've had my entire fleet killed with 1 shot from one mortar salvo. Mistake on my part and it does happen. Biggest complaints come from people who were playing with Levis and FFs before subs released and never learned to use em and from the new people who haven't started using FFs, SWs, (and now) HHs. I can build any hull and love my subs. Leave the Preds alone for the smaller people, fix the Sonar special so big players will start using it, and build your fleets to kill subs.
  • Nereus
    Nereus
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    Burke wrote: »
    That is really hard to believe. It sounds the code just doesn't take good care with its data to maintain consistent records of damage received, or ships owned. It certainly doesn't sound like something they couldn't fix, although it's baffling that they haven't, since it would be lost revenue to them.

    I've had it happen with BB fleets so its not just a problem with subs and I don't think you can make[/U] it happen.
  • Zam
    Zam
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    Joined Mar 2012 Posts: 1,501
    I love it how the people who are unhappy and voicing their thoughts are branded "whiners" by the same high level "whiners" who we had to hear cry about how unfair subs were for months. I will say that using subs allowed me to rise rather quickly in level due to the instant repair, but it also allowed a little competitiveness with the coiners and high levellers. I never planned on making subs a permanent fixture of my attack fleets, but they should be there (with insta repair) for the little guys to reign in the high level bullies who like to work over little guys' fleets. Once you unlock higher level ships, I think subs naturally lose their luster.

    I just have to laugh at some of these bohemoths who were so shamefully "bellyaching" about subs and their users. I guess it is more fair to be able to hit and flatten bases with hh and ff when the victims of these attacks haven't any of those to hit back with.

    At the end of the day, it is a game and you have to make it work for you. I just hope KIXEYE doesn't start pulling a KOC and making gratuitous changes that never fix the important problems that already exist in the game. Sometimes it looks like a smoke and mirrors game to direct our attention away from other more pressing game concerns that they either can't or won't fix.
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  • Bob Wolfe
    Bob Wolfe
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    Joined Mar 2012 Posts: 47
    well the change really has no effect other than a few extra minutes repair....if you know how to use subs properly you can kill dozens of cargo and never loose one sub and if u pick on a bigger fleet and the kill you your fault....but i can kill most all ships with predator subs unless they have sfb3 or thud hb3 and eng 3 all others die pretty easy so subs are still deadly just increase your tactics
  • Barbarosa236
    Barbarosa236
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    Joined Jan 2012 Posts: 20
    Munchy wrote: »
    at least now all the base fleet whiners can shut up abit.

    lmaooooo
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  • Ross McCorkindale
    Ross McCorkindale
    Strike-force Captain
    Joined Sep 2011 Posts: 671
    It only really has any difference to me if I mess up hitting salvage, I don't use subs for FvF, I use wolves, faster and more firepower
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    Drakii wrote: »
    agreed... Just for giggles, if someone whines, SWAG should be able to turn their fleets into floating sausages for 24 hours.
    Currently chilling in 63, Dread X, SC, BS, LC, Specter, Destroyer, and Corvette winner, more yet to be won
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    If your base is there and I need resources, I'm a pirate, need I say more?
  • Teddy H
    Teddy H
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    Joined Mar 2012 Posts: 40
    then.....i'll have no way to destroy a level 6 cargo fleet without heavily damage taken......
    how about no instant repair if your fleet die from another player's fleet or base???
  • Ross McCorkindale
    Ross McCorkindale
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    Joined Sep 2011 Posts: 671
    Teddy H wrote: »
    then.....i'll have no way to destroy a level 6 cargo fleet without heavily damage taken......
    how about no instant repair if your fleet die from another player's fleet or base???
    What sort of foam brained player would take predators into a base?
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    Drakii wrote: »
    agreed... Just for giggles, if someone whines, SWAG should be able to turn their fleets into floating sausages for 24 hours.
    Currently chilling in 63, Dread X, SC, BS, LC, Specter, Destroyer, and Corvette winner, more yet to be won
    The M wrote: »
    If your base is there and I need resources, I'm a pirate, need I say more?
  • Perbrill
    Perbrill
    Strike-force Captain
    Joined Jul 2011 Posts: 806
    May the whining of these sub users start

    21 mins for my eng 3 glass sub fleet to repair :crying: :crying: :crying:

    :D :lol:

  • giuseppe
    giuseppe
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    Joined Jun 2011 Posts: 96
    Hell yes make them take a long time and very expensive and maybe they will use other fleets a level the fight
  • SoCal
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    Joined Jun 2011 Posts: 62
    jayem8ch wrote: »
    How about we fix instant repair glitch before we go worrying about instant fix subs!
    yea i know right thatll be perfect
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  • Twisted Fate
    Twisted Fate
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    Joined Mar 2012 Posts: 7
    really doesn't bother me either way about the subs they easy to kill anyway just annoying when lvl 30s that have no skill with sws have to spam subs to try an kill me cause that all they can do
  • Joseph DellaVecchia
    Joseph DellaVecchia
    Greenhorn
    Joined Jan 2012 Posts: 6
    The only reason I spent the time and resources on the sub was because they could instant repair. The subs aren't that good in the first place so why take away the one good thing about them?
  • Arglebargle
    Arglebargle
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    Joined Sep 2011 Posts: 54
    Our intention is not to declaw defenses, rather to balance the game appropriately. The intention of instant repair is to help new players get into the game faster, not endlessly be able to assault level 10 salvage ships. Again with DP, only a small percentage were using it as intended.

    However, we have also buffed defense by giving turret specials and the upcoming patrol fleet. It's all a delicate balancing act.


    Wanna REALLY balance the game????.

    Try changing the totally sunken fleet from taking home 500% resources. In fact, it should be that a totally sunken fleet take nothing home.

    Why not make all fleets, if a ship is sunk, that sunk ships portion is deducted from the "carrying capacity"?

    across the board, against any and everything!!!!!

    Salvages, other fleets, bases, etc..
  • Hast at work
    Hast at work
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    Joined Feb 2012 Posts: 2,308
    Wanna REALLY balance the game????.

    Try changing the totally sunken fleet from taking home 500% resources. In fact, it should be that a totally sunken fleet take nothing home.

    Why not make all fleets, if a ship is sunk, that sunk ships portion is deducted from the "carrying capacity"?

    across the board, against any and everything!!!!!

    Salvages, other fleets, bases, etc..

    No. That's silly talk. Why is it there is always some **** that wants to make base hits obsolete? it isnt bad enough that you cant hit a base without 5 sub fleets waiting to catch you on the way out now you would have to come home with zero res too?

    Would become salvage pirates. F that.
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  • Fractal
    Fractal
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    Joined Mar 2012 Posts: 2,408
    If a fleet is totally destoyed, in other words defeated in a base attack, they should come home with no resources, I agree. I am surprised this exists.
    Playing since Feb 2012.  Originally sector 304
  • Arglebargle
    Arglebargle
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    Joined Sep 2011 Posts: 54
    Hast at Work:

    OK, I can see that point. But a totally sunk fleet going home with 500%?? that's crazy..

    in fact, ANY fleet going home with 500% is nuts, sunk or not. We have ship/fleet weight limits for a reason. what is the thinking behind the 500% stuff???

    makes absolutely no sense.. if a ship can't put more weapons/armor on it that the weight limit restricts, how can it possibly carry more than can be built on it??
  • TheBigMan
    TheBigMan
    Skilled Warrior
    Joined Feb 2012 Posts: 342
    ok well just make two fleets of predator subs and rotate them. You have to be smarter than the game and others.
    its not that hard.
  • subluver
    subluver
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    Joined Mar 2012 Posts: 208
    Our intention is not to declaw defenses, rather to balance the game appropriately. The intention of instant repair is to help new players get into the game faster, not endlessly
    As a new player(Since dec) I can tell you that Subs is the only thing that kept me in the game all this time. Lets face it until you get SW's there isnt much fun in FVF battles when your using BB or Maras. I could instant repair the LB I guess but still not as much fun as Subs.. Fun is the reason we all play isnt it?

    I mentioned this in another post in the General discussion forum. How about for a true balanced game you only attack people of the same level or higher? As has been pointed out, the discrepency between lvl 28 and 33 is huge. Anything really after lvl 25 just become a huge discrepency.. 25/30, 26/31.. The difference between those 2 levels is months and months of exp, playing, research, upgrades. Is this balanced? I'm sure someone with more experience than me can explain this better but if your lvl 20 you can be at lvl 25 in very short order Probably a week or less. . I think I spent almost 2 weeks at lvl 27 alone.


    Now I'm sure a lot of this is done because once we get to lvl 25 you have us hooked on playing and you intentions are then to get us to whip out the CC to buy these upgrades.

    I will explain how and when I will spend money.. When I get big enough that I feel I have a shot at winning a base invaders ship or something like that. If it takes me 5 months to get there, then thats when I will spend the money. If it takes 10 months then thats when it will happen. However the longer it takes me the more risk you have that I will get bored and find something else.
  • MisterDog
    MisterDog
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    Joined Jun 2011 Posts: 6
    I tend to wonder who it is that actually complain about small subs being used? would this be the big players who get owned by smaller sub builders ?

    They maybe a nuisance I look at it this way if the little smaller level player does not have something to use to fend off the bigger player, then how much fun is it going to be for these little level players to go out on the open sea when all the big guys can just come along and smash what ever fleets they have. The bigger player can build the sonars into the fleets and search and destroy the subs or maybe they are just to lazy or don't want to spend their $ on them.

    Personally I take my hat off to the little player who takes his quick fix subs out and can fight these big players with them, I my self can hardly even take a lvl 5 salvage with them.
  • rafius
    rafius
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    They just need to make subs stronger. Right now they don't have enough armor. Give them 40 or 50 more base armor points and they will rock!
    We are working on many things at once. Alliances, Drac bases (really!), Messaging, Fleet Interception. Are all actively being worked on. Just because we release other, smaller, features does not mean we are not progressing with the larger ones.
  • Swift
    Swift
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    Joined Mar 2012 Posts: 54
    Great job Kixeye! You should have made them 10 minutes per sub, but I still like what you did :)
  • Kevin Dao
    Kevin Dao
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    Subs are gay... Using subs happens to be gay (yes I know how to use them.) And users of subs are gay. And no, I am not a homophobe. Welcome to the year 2012
  • SoCal
    SoCal
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    dude what they need to do is fix the stalker sub its slow even with eng3 on it its like the leviathen big and slow and yes i do have subs as well and the predator sub cant even handle **** for getting hit
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  • Ironclad
    Ironclad
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    Joined Dec 2011 Posts: 560
    jayem8ch wrote: »
    How about we fix instant repair glitch before we go worrying about instant fix subs!

    first whiner ;)
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  • Ironclad
    Ironclad
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    Joined Dec 2011 Posts: 560
    subluver wrote: »
    As a new player(Since dec) I can tell you that Subs is the only thing that kept me in the game all this time. Lets face it until you get SW's there isnt much fun in FVF battles when your using BB or Maras. I could instant repair the LB I guess but still not as much fun as Subs.. Fun is the reason we all play isnt it?

    I mentioned this in another post in the General discussion forum. How about for a true balanced game you only attack people of the same level or higher? As has been pointed out, the discrepency between lvl 28 and 33 is huge. Anything really after lvl 25 just become a huge discrepency.. 25/30, 26/31.. The difference between those 2 levels is months and months of exp, playing, research, upgrades. Is this balanced? I'm sure someone with more experience than me can explain this better but if your lvl 20 you can be at lvl 25 in very short order Probably a week or less. . I think I spent almost 2 weeks at lvl 27 alone.


    Now I'm sure a lot of this is done because once we get to lvl 25 you have us hooked on playing and you intentions are then to get us to whip out the CC to buy these upgrades.

    I will explain how and when I will spend money.. When I get big enough that I feel I have a shot at winning a base invaders ship or something like that. If it takes me 5 months to get there, then thats when I will spend the money. If it takes 10 months then thats when it will happen. However the longer it takes me the more risk you have that I will get bored and find something else.

    it isnt about the lvls it is about they way they are being used in combat the 2 sectors i farm either side of mine have a huge number of subs even lvl 30 players use them point is the SW was the main destroyer in PvP now its predators kiting in and out after jumping someone on a base hit im a lvl 33 yet lvl 24 and 25 players attack my fleets with subs then rattle on "ha ha look at your repair bill and how long its going to take you to repair"
    THINK........... KIXEYE see this in our coms and realise its just being done in harrasement to bigger players as there is no retribution back due to the bigger player not being able to hit the lower player as they are too low to be hit and that in its own right can be an unfair advantage to the smaller player

    I would give the SUBS a 20 min repair without armour and possibly 200k resources to repair them


    and bye the way i could take FFs down with BBs when i was a smaller player ;)
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  • subluver
    subluver
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    Joined Mar 2012 Posts: 208
    Ironclad wrote: »
    it isnt about the lvls it is about they way they are being used in combat the 2 sectors i farm either side of mine have a huge number of subs even lvl 30 players use them point is the SW was the main destroyer in PvP now its predators kiting in and out after jumping someone on a base hit im a lvl 33 yet lvl 24 and 25 players attack my fleets with subs then rattle on "ha ha look at your repair bill and how long its going to take you to repair"
    THINK........... KIXEYE see this in our coms and realise its just being done in harrasement to bigger players as there is no retribution back due to the bigger player not being able to hit the lower player as they are too low to be hit and that in its own right can be an unfair advantage to the smaller player

    I would give the SUBS a 20 min repair without armour and possibly 200k resources to repair them


    and bye the way i could take FFs down with BBs when i was a smaller player ;)

    You definitely have a point and I respect that. I dont know what the solution is to be honest. I just think this may go to far in the other direction.

    Theres also 2 sides of this. I see you dont want to lvl 22-25 players hitting lvl 33 and taking out a base fleet with cheap subs. I get it. What about the 33 that takes on a 28. Should I have no way of inflicting damage when your so far ahead of me in every other aspect that really the only deterent I have is cheap subs. Its really all they are to me anyway. It levels the playing field somewhat so if the big boys do come in they think twice about it the next time. Obviously they worked because there were lots complaining about them.

    The solution now of course is cheap instant repair of other small fleets that can still do damage. unfortunately they cant do as much as a sub fleet because of its invincibility underwater. I guess we will see how i all plays out.
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